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Cattermol to Stoke....

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Provider said:
I honestly don't get all the stick Cattermole gets.

Wholehearted player who on his day is capable of controlling games. Yes, he's got limitations such as dwelling on the ball too long now and again but at the end of the day that's why he plays for us rather than a top team.
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Controlling the game is all about mixing it up, knowing when to step it up and also when to slow it down. Dictating the game and most of their sides play stems from that individual. They are the playmakers.
Cork did this for Saints on saturday
Catts doesnt do this. His influence is more about nullifying the oppositions playmakers.
 

Daffy said:
Not a very good footballer
Not often enough
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Totally disagree with the first point. Excellent at breaking up play, great work rate, capable of keeping possession with short quick passes, and despite what people say, he does have a decent range of passing.

On the second point, maybe, but only real top class players will regularly control games.

For where we are and where we're trying to get to, Cattermole is a very good player.
 
Daffy said:
Not a very good footballer
Not often enough
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Who is in our squad though?

Even Ki has had poor games.

Cattermole offers a lot. Selling to a rival during a relegation scrap without a proven replacement is poor business in my eyes.
 
Mixed feelings. There has been many a time following a ridiculous lunge and sending off that I've shouted that's it get shot of the idiot.

But when he is fit with a good run of games he's good. I've always been one of a small number that thinks there is more to his game if he got further up the pitch. Rarely does he get the chance to show it though.

But it's his defensive role we are most accustomed to and inevitably though running around chasing and kicking folk isn't enough and pace and quick accurate passing bypasses him.

If we are ever to move on we probably do need to sell him but at present, in a relegation scrap I'm not so sure.

Ultimately though this club is trying to drive down the wage bill and he and a fair few others will leave sooner or later.
 
bedlington mackem said:
Controlling the game is all about mixing it up, knowing when to step it up and also when to slow it down. Dictating the game and most of their sides play stems from that individual. They are the playmakers.
Cork did this for Saints on saturday
Catts doesnt do this. His influence is more about nullifying the oppositions playmakers.
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There's more than one way to control a game. Take the Man City, New Year's Day game a few years back. Cattermole controlled the game by simply being all over the pitch, not giving their players any time on the ball and consistently winning possession back for us.[DOUBLEPOST=1390344328][/DOUBLEPOST]
hullmackem said:
Really ??? Capable of controlling games ?
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IMO, yes. See post 405.
 
Provider said:
There's more than one way to control a game. Take the Man City, New Year's Day game a few years back. Cattermole controlled the game by simply being all over the pitch, not giving their players any time on the ball and consistently winning possession back for us.[DOUBLEPOST=1390344328][/DOUBLEPOST]

IMO, yes. See post 405.
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Ok, though I disagree.
 
An odd one indeed - the lad is talented and can pass a ball very well, easily a premiership standard midfielder - the no passing game bollix is just that, bollix. What let's him down is his lack of pace. Time and again he is up against midfielders who are faster than him and go past him very easily. He can sometimes win the ball by lunging in at them but this also gets him booked/sent off a lot. He's just not fast enough to play the role we need him to.
 
BS1000 said:
His lack of pace gets him into trouble time after time, his temper aswell, I don't think any will improve with age. His good games are too far and few between, if and its a big if we sign Bridcutt to replace him I suspect Poyet will have more faith in him than Cattermole. At the minute he is like a rabbit in headlights, backing off, scared to tackle and knows it won't take a lot for him to get the crowd against him, I'm surprised he lasted so long on Saturday. Our problem isn't selling Cattermole our problem is how poor our midfield is even with him in it and he doesn't really make that much difference tbh.
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That's the problem.. One of our longer serving players (2nd behind bardsley?) and should have the fans behind him not against him. Like Johnson a confidence player and ironically, does better with the fans behind him.
Don't get me wrong like the sound of this britcutt but selling catts now would be a big mistake
 
Provider said:
There's more than one way to control a game. Take the Man City, New Year's Day game a few years back. Cattermole controlled the game by simply being all over the pitch, not giving their players any time on the ball and consistently winning possession back for us.[DOUBLEPOST=1390344328][/DOUBLEPOST]

IMO, yes. See post 405.
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yeah but then we gave the ball straight back to them. That isnt controlling the game. It was wave after wave of City pressure, then we broke as they threw everyone forward and scored with the last kick of the match. We certainly didnt outplay City
 
gipetto said:
This. We always sell a decent player and bring in a worse one.
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I like catts a lot,cracking player WHEN he's on the field.Of late ie villa and Southampton he has been shot to pieces and if he wants away so be it,he's no good to us shot to bits.
 
Fireball07 said:
Scocco is an attacking player... striker/winger. Giaccherini is a lot more likely to play there than him, considering he's played there for Juventus.
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chopsfc007 said:
scocco is not a cm
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I know; but I've read that Scocco is more of a winger or attacking mid than a true striker. Seems like, if he's half winger and half mid, then he could replace Larsson; or if he's an attacking mid, he could fill in a Giaccherini-like role in a midfield three.

I have never seen Scocco play, so I admit to ignorance. At first I thought he would be a striker for us, but then I read he really isn't a true striker. Then I assumed he would play outside, but Johnson and Borini are playing too well to be replaced now.

If Poyet wanted to move Borini inside, I would think he would have already done so.
 
I honestly sit and watch in disbelief, wondering if all his fans notice the passes he makes under no pressure direct to an opposition players feet. Did it on Saturday in first 5 minutes, picking his man out from less than 10 yards. Only of use as a nuisance value to the opposition, which becomes nil after he is booked. Bring on the hatred.
 
redgauntlet said:
do we really need a second division player who is so good that the big boys haven't noticed him? Hmmmmmmm??//
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Ha ha. Sorry but if you think Sunderland are the only Premier team who have noticed Bridcutt you are sorely mistaken.

Whilst the media are Premier League league paid up Sky subscribers hanging on the every word of Lawro and Shearo fortunately scouts are less so.
 
Provider said:
There's more than one way to control a game. Take the Man City, New Year's Day game a few years back. Cattermole controlled the game by simply being all over the pitch, not giving their players any time on the ball and consistently winning possession back for us.[DOUBLEPOST=1390344328][/DOUBLEPOST]

IMO, yes. See post 405.
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Couldn't get anywhere near any fucker against Southampton, they ran rings around him and he looked pissed.
 
nowtgoodeverhappens said:
I honestly sit and watch in disbelief, wondering if all his fans notice the passes he makes under no pressure direct to an opposition players feet. Did it on Saturday in first 5 minutes, picking his man out from less than 10 yards. Only of use as a nuisance value to the opposition, which becomes nil after he is booked. Bring on the hatred.
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I assume you sat and watched Ki yield possesion with no pressure twice in the first five minutes as well ?
 
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