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Aleem Dar
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Completely disagree. Their batting has been just as fragile as ours but the key difference has been two things:
1. Determination when up against it.
Usually Haddin with a gritty slow 50. Something only Carberry has looked like doing for us.
2. Mitchell Johnson. Having a captain who knows how to use him has helped massively and he was always going to play a massive role in the series. There was been one prolonged spell in 4 tests where our batsmen have settled against him. Every other time we've looked shit scared. IMO, Broad should be used in this role. 3/4 overs of bouncy short stuff to rough them up.
Unlike last time we were there no side has truely dominated. They've been 160/5, 200/6 etc just as much as us but they've had the reserves and desire to come through. We haven't.
Carl and the Passions
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I see absolutely no reason you'd bat Borthwick, a number three batsman, behind Stokes and Bairstow
smoker
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The Aussies pushed the rules and spirit of the game, as they always do. Bowling bodyline, slagging us off in the press, extreme sledging etc and the umps never do anything about it. Our mistake was having no answer to it, by Melbourne our confidence was shot to shit and theirs was sky high. In an ideal world we would have a Harmison or Tremlett bowling 90mph into Johnson's face.[DOUBLEPOST=1388498907][/DOUBLEPOST]
I think we have seen the last of Bairstow for a while. Not good enough with bat or gloves.
wayne entwhistle no9
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Reading some of the media reports looks like Borthwick will play. The bad news for me looks like he will be the front line spinner and batting at no7 or no8 as some poster are suggesting on here. Surely if he is going to play he is asked to do what he does for Durham be a front line batsmen and second spinner. That is the role he performed so well for Durham that has got him in the ashes squad.
Twisted
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he has only been a number 3 this year and didn't start the year number 3 he started at 8 as he has been for most of this county career thus far. he is a young lad, will be making his test debut in near impossible circumstances and to play him at 3 would be a possible disaster IMO. i would bat him around 9 with a view to working him up the order in time if he shows he can handle it. he won't have faced anything like the attack australia will throw at him and to ask him to do so facing a new ball [probably an over or two into the innings at most if we continue as we have].
the senior players have to stand up and be counted, if i was stokes, bairstow or broad i would want to bat before him to give him a slower introduction into test cricket.[DOUBLEPOST=1388504528][/DOUBLEPOST]
i don't think he should be a front line spinner as in bowling 30 overs in a day, i'm not convinced we should be playing with a front line spinner at all, if it is tredwell is best suited to that. borthwick and root to provide occasional overs, i think borthwick should be in as a spinning all rounder batting lower than usual in hostile conditions. i don't think borthwick is the answer at number 3 - you can't tell me he is a better batsman than trott, root or bell.
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Carl and the Passions
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You genuinely think he's less capable than Broad right now? Utter madness. He's not been picked as a bowler and form him to be lower than Bairstow would be utterly self-defeating. He's currently a batsman who bowls a bit. I'd have him at 6, with Bell at 3 and Ballance at 5 if they drop Carberry and Panesar. Would accept 7 if he comes in behind Stokes' immense Test experience
Twisted
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broad has years of experience of playing test cricket and a test century under his belt [as has stokes
]. i have repeadetly said it's down to experience and circumstance that mean he should come lower down, if he bats at 3, gets out cheaply twice and doesn't take a wicket then what has anyone gained? if trott returns he is straight out of the side. if root doesn't open he is a much better batsman, even if he doesn't you would have to say ballance is a better batsman. i don't see a space for him in the top 6 but in the lower order as an all rounder i do.wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
So you want to find a place in the England test side for a player who bats at no9 and is only an occasional bowler, that basically saying he is not ready for test match cricket with bat or ball, Stokes made his debut 3 weeks ago batted at no6 and was first change seamer.
Twisted
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yes that is correct. i never said i was being objective, i just want to see borthwick play test cricket for england.
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NOMOREFALSEDAWNS
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Voice of fair play
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Yeah that's what makes this a lot worse it was expected in a way last time,but this time shocking totally shocking although journeymen a bit harsh on Johnson don't you think.
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NOMOREFALSEDAWNS
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Was alright up to Stokes. Bairstow and Bresnan should be nowhere near the side.
Not sure I'd play Monty either.
As for Borthwick, I'd love him in but I fear it may harm his progress and development if they use him as the frontline spinner and the Aussies get after him. Was listening to Harmy on the BBC earlier and his concern was that Scotty hasn't bowled a lot of
Overs this season for Durham and that concerned me too.
Anyone think they could play two spinners? Sydney is expected to turn more than any other Test venue this series and seeing how Scotty's First Class form with the bat is as good as any batsman in the squad - AND he's as good a fielder as he is a batsman and bowler - England could look to use him as the second spinner......
The more I think about it I'd be inclined to pick him in place of Root (although not at 3 - possibly 7/8) and I could actually see England wanting him to be the long term replacement for Swann - especially when you look at how how good a fielder he is (and that he's a better batsman). Plus Scotty supports the correct NE football team
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Twisted
Striker
The more I think about it I'd be inclined to pick him in place of Root (although not at 3 - possibly 7/8) and I could actually see England wanting him to be the long term replacement for Swann - especially when you look at how how good a fielder he is (and that he's a better batsman). Plus Scotty supports the correct NE football team
can't see him being picked ahead of root but i wouldn't mind root opening with cook and scotty coming in at 8 or so with carberry making way.
for someone who has actually batted ok he has been a complete rabbit in the field, and that is supposed to be one of his strengths. the shambolic succession of simple catches dropped has been a deciding factor in this series.
Twisted
Striker
His fielding has been wank. However I can't see Root doing any better than Carberry. Carbs for me has been one of our better performers with the bat. Although that's not saying much
aye that's what i mean - considering his batting has been ok there is no excuse for folding so badly everytime a catch comes his way.
and you don't build a team around an opener who's age is higher than their average.
Wayne The Punk
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Jesus Christ, Bresnan, why the fuck is he getting a game, he is supposedly being picked as a bowler, when has he destroyed an opposition team?, but they really pick him because he can bat a bit, and he doesnt do that very often. f***ing selectors got it so wrong, pick bowlers for being bowlers, I wonder if it would have been any different if Onions had played from the start
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