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[BBC] Miners' Di Canio protest 'will only end with Sunderland campaign support'

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I am not sure where I stand on this but a lot of posters are asking what it has to do with the Durham Miners.


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.


It's been badly handled by the club and ideally the statement should have ended it but some clearly think De Canio is still a Facist sympathiser as indicated by his previous history and want the club to pin it's colours to the anti-facist mast.
 

SurreyMackem said:
I am not sure where I stand on this but a lot of posters are asking what it has to do with the Durham Miners.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

It's been badly handled by the club and ideally the statement should have ended it but some clearly think De Canio is still a Facist sympathiser as indicated by his previous history and want the club to pin it's colours to the anti-facist mast.
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It hasn't been badly handled at all.

What gives these nobodies the right to dictate to the club?
 
LunaSlave said:
This seems like a very reasonable proposal to me, and I support it 100%.

I'm happy that Di Canio has made a public statement distancing himself from both racism and fascism.

Although I still have some personal doubts about its sincerity (and make no mistake, fascists have certainly been known to lie about such things) the point is that the pressure got him to make such a statement, and that's a significant victory.

The work's not done, though. I think the miners have the right idea here in making this much more about attempting to create support for anti-fascism in general rather than simply focusing efforts on Di Canio's politics. The Black Cats have already been active supporters of anti-racist campaigns within football, so I'd love to see this happen too!

Would be a great step towards spreading the sort of vocal anti-fascist sentiment that's so visible elsewhere in the stands at some other football clubs, from Celtic to St. Pauli to Barcelona and beyond. Would be a Premier League first, too, and a really great example to have in the most televised sports league in the world.
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Have you got any evidence that DMA has the support of the majority or even a significant minority of ex-miners.

It looks like a bunch of political opportunists doing their best to ensure that their lifestyles are maintained to the standard that they arent entitled to. I wonder if SAFC's support would involve a large donation that would be used for "administration".
 
On July 13th, Durham Big Meeting Day, don your red and white, walk in behind your local banner and when it stops beneath the balcony of the County Hotel to play its tune, give Mr Hopper a salute of his own, a two fingered one.
Embarrass him.
He'll be there, he always is.
 
We should have a few anti NUM chants to let them know how SAFC fans feel and fuck the politics it's a football club...
 
SurreyMackem said:
I am not sure where I stand on this but a lot of posters are asking what it has to do with the Durham Miners.


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.


It's been badly handled by the club and ideally the statement should have ended it but some clearly think De Canio is still a Facist sympathiser as indicated by his previous history and want the club to pin it's colours to the anti-facist mast.
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But the finger pointed started with a so called socialist who disappeared off to work for £300k a year, then a trade unionist earning £70kn plus his pension jumped on the bandwaggon. Both told me what I should say and think that is more fascist than anything Di Cannio has said.
 
Parkmaverick said:
It doesn't seem to be the NUM though it seems to be one member from the DMA.
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Well lets just chant David Hopper, David Hopper..... stiiick your banner up your arse.......Stiiiick your banner up your arse ;)
 
The biggest danger to everyone today is from Communist North Korea, I will withdraw my support for the Durham Miners unless they partake in joint military exercises with the USA and South Korea
 
LunaSlave said:
This seems like a very reasonable proposal to me, and I support it 100%.

I'm happy that Di Canio has made a public statement distancing himself from both racism and fascism.

Although I still have some personal doubts about its sincerity (and make no mistake, fascists have certainly been known to lie about such things) the point is that the pressure got him to make such a statement, and that's a significant victory.

The work's not done, though. I think the miners have the right idea here in making this much more about attempting to create support for anti-fascism in general rather than simply focusing efforts on Di Canio's politics. The Black Cats have already been active supporters of anti-racist campaigns within football, so I'd love to see this happen too!

Would be a great step towards spreading the sort of vocal anti-fascist sentiment that's so visible elsewhere in the stands at some other football clubs, from Celtic to St. Pauli to Barcelona and beyond. Would be a Premier League first, too, and a really great example to have in the most televised sports league in the world.
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Two not very good examples there mind one set of supporters actively supports IRA and the other has a very violent communist support base attracted from all over northern Europe.

clockstand pie chuka said:
Well lets just chant David Hopper, David Hopper..... stiiick your banner up your arse.......Stiiiick your banner up your arse ;)
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I still think the best thing to do is just post it back to him not giving him the satisfaction of any further publicity.
 
Anyone sent them this link which shows his quotes have been taking out of context ?

You must be logged on to see external links
 
Mackem00 said:
So you think our manager is a liar. Nowt he can do to change that then so why bother?
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Well, to be honest I think the point shouldn't be his personal views so much now that he's made a public statement distancing himself from fascism and racism. Truth is we may never know so I'm not about to carry on whether I have those personal doubts or not, unless he says or does something demonstrably racist or fascist in future. Whatever my doubts are where Di Canio is concerned the biggest one for me this weekend is whether he can turn this poor form.

But I also believe that if the anti-fascist sentiment was just more widespread and well known to begin with like it is in a lot of other clubs all of this negative publicity would've likely never happened, the focus could've been on simply on improving the football from the very start instead of all this mess, which sadly, due to the image Di Canio has created in the past, is quite predictable and understandable. Surprised it didn't happen sooner honestly.

Di Canio used to play for Celtic and there's a lot of anti-fascist stuff on the ground up there, Green Brigades, etc etc. Don't think there was much controversy while he was there, was there? Of course they have their own controversy there too with their IRA chants and such. But you don't need sectarianism to be anti-fascist. And about the example of St. Pauli I gave you don't need to be an anarchist or a communist either. FC United of Manchester's got a pretty anti-fascist reputation coming from its roots as a protest club maybe that's a better example?

It's win-win, if you ask me. The club does something to spread the message by signing onto whatever, and in return the reputation of the club and its supporters for not tolerating fascism, racism, etc is enhanced. This has already happened with supporting efforts like Show Racism the Red Card, so what's the big deal?

It's not even a particularly 'left-wing' thing like people want to characterise it as. Of course the most active anti-fascist organisers tend to be on the left, no question. But that's because it tends to draw in activist types in general. I don't think you could call Winston Churchill a left-winger though and he certainly did his bit to smash fascism. Whether you're a Marxist or a Labour supporter or a Lib Dem or a Conservative or whatever I think it just makes sense to take a public stand against fascism, like racism wherever it pops up. Again it seems win-win to me. Signing on to something like this would shut everyone up and we could go back to talking about something more enjoyable like the usual substandard football.
 
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DJP said:
I'm an ex-Wearmouth miner as was my dad. We were both supported the union for a full year on strike in 84-85 & my dad even kept paying his union subs long after retiring.

Last year my dad got the union to win a case for him & he was awarded a couple of grand for some pit related ailment (dodgy knees or summat, not white finger). On winning his case the N.U.M. asked if they could have about 10% of my dad's 'winnings'. My dad said "no" arguing that he had paid his union subs for donkeys years, even after retiring, & at the end of the day he was paying his subs for the union to do their jobs anyway, namely to fight his case.

Hopper's response - he kicked my 72 year old dad out of the union after all the subs my dad had paid into the union for decades.

Fuck the N.U.M. They are money grabbing pigs.

SAFC is a football club and not a political football.

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The DMA; Trying to prey on the loyality of it's old and infirm members to keep the gravy train running. Then turfing out it's loyal members if they don't cough up like lambs to the slaughter!

The same scumbags dragging our clubs name through mud whilst trying to claim the moral high ground. Staggering and laughable.

My Granda was a miner at Castletown, a wonderful gent was Ted. I've nothing but respect for miners but the DMA deserve nothing but contempt for there recent actions.
 
LunaSlave said:
Well, to be honest I think the point shouldn't be his personal views so much now that he's made a public statement distancing himself from fascism and racism. Truth is we may never know so I'm not about to carry on whether I have those personal doubts or not, unless he says or does something demonstrably racist or fascist in future. Whatever my doubts are where Di Canio is concerned the biggest one for me this weekend is whether he can turn this poor form.

But I also believe that if the anti-fascist sentiment was just more widespread and well known to begin with like it is in a lot of other clubs all of this negative publicity would've likely never happened, the focus could've been on simply on improving the football from the very start instead of all this mess, which sadly, due to the image Di Canio has created in the past, is quite predictable and understandable. Surprised it didn't happen sooner honestly.

Di Canio used to play for Celtic and there's a lot of anti-fascist stuff on the ground up there, Green Brigades, etc etc. Don't think there was much controversy while he was there, was there? Of course they have their own controversy there too with their IRA chants and such. But you don't need sectarianism to be anti-fascist.

It's win-win, if you ask me. The club does something to spread the message by signing onto whatever, and in return the reputation of the club and its supporters for not tolerating fascism, racism, etc is enhanced. This has already happened with supporting efforts like Show Racism the Red Card, so what's the big deal?

It's not even a particularly 'left-wing' thing like people want to characterise it as. Of course the most active anti-fascist organisers tend to be on the left, no question. But that's because it tends to draw in activist types in general. I don't think you could call Winston Churchill a left-winger though and he certainly did his bit to smash fascism. Whether you're a Marxist or a Labour supporter or a Lib Dem or a Conservative or whatever I think it just makes sense to take a public stand against fascism, like racism wherever it pops up. Again it seems win-win to me. Signing on to something like this would shut everyone up and we could go back to talking about something more enjoyable like the usual substandard football.
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Well to be honest I don't see what his personal views have to do with him doing his job as a football manager, lets put the boot on the other foot shall we, I i don't agree Islam and it's it's ethics but that wouldn't stop me getting a job in most places.
 
The club need to tell these little dictators to shove their banner and anti fascist campaign up their arse.
 
clockstand pie chuka said:
Well to be honest I don't see what his personal views have to do with him doing his job as a football manager, lets put the boot on the other foot shall we, I i don't agree Islam and it's it's ethics but that wouldn't stop me getting a job in most places.
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They certainly don't have much to do with it if you're playing Football Manager 2013. But in today's era the manager is also expected to be a public media figure and have a certain level of decorum and present a certain professional image That's why managers get fined, banned from the touchline, etc for statements they make sometimes. But again I'm done with that regarding Di Canio unless he does something in the future to contradictu that public statement while acting as manager of the club. I'd rather just have him focus on the football and see the club do what it can to establish a better reputation after this PR disaster. Issuing a statement against fascism, just like statements that have been issued against racism in the past, couldn't hurt, and would likely shut everyone up.

And regarding my signature for those who commented on that I've actually just changed it, it said I wanted PDC out and I did want him out until he made the most recent public statement, which I'm satisfied with as even though personal doubts remain (but they're merely personal)

Now I've moved on and look forward to seeing what can be done against Chelsea this weekend. Hopefully a positive result.
 
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