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Pakistan v England - 1st Test, Dubai

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essex boy said:
The question stands would you hold out much hope for us in Sri Lanka and India with Flower in charge
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Sri Lanka - tough call, will depend partly on how we do in the remainder of this series, but a decent chance.

India - I think we'll beat them. They're in a mess at the moment, even though they'll be stronger at home, I think we'll have too much for them. Feel free to bookmark!
 

chelt_mackem said:
Sri Lanka - tough call, will depend partly on how we do in the remainder of this series, but a decent chance.

India - I think we'll beat them. They're in a mess at the moment, even though they'll be stronger at home, I think we'll have too much for them. Feel free to bookmark!
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I thought that about Pakistan. :lol:

We're under prepared and the batsmen look woefully short mentally, we really need to sort this out quickly.
 
essex boy said:
The question stands would you hold out much hope for us in Sri Lanka and India with Flower in charge
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Yes. In test cricket. Can we go there and win comprehensively? Probably not. We haven't got the playing staff to comprehensively beat any sub continent side in their own back yard. Can we nick a series win? In my opinion, yes we can.

I don't think we can compete with them in ODI's for the record. A lot of work is still required in that format and I think, given time and the ECB backing, Flower will improve it
 
Dexter said:
I thought that about Pakistan. :lol:

We're under prepared and the batsmen look woefully short mentally, we really need to sort this out quickly.
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Well played Pakistan.

Hope we come back mentally stronger in the next one.

toosb said:
An absolutely pathetic display. First innings was poor, but no excuses to go out and collapse again.
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Our batters seem like they havn't played on these conditions before.

Cook, Strauss, KP need to have words with themselves.
 
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chelt_mackem said:
Sri Lanka - tough call, will depend partly on how we do in the remainder of this series, but a decent chance.

India - I think we'll beat them. They're in a mess at the moment, even though they'll be stronger at home, I think we'll have too much for them. Feel free to bookmark!
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:shock:

You do appreciate Sri Lanka prepare an absolute dust bowl in the first test of the series at Kandy, then play attritional cricket there on in ensuring no touring side very rarely ever wins a game out there.

The last time we played a series in Sri Lanka, the following were all in the side, Bopara, Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Prior, Panesar Anderson etc

We managed to post 81 A/O in our first innings in the third test at Galle :shock:
 
toosb said:
Even as world number 1, you always fancy England to collapse. The Aussies in their pomp would have made 450 second time out and won.
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I really thought that we had left that shite in the past. I knew it would be a tough series and we would have to play well to win/draw it. The only thing was I thought our bowling would be the weak link, not the batters.
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
Tremlett imo.

Two spinners and two seemers. They do alright on these pitch's doing that. When in rome.
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Why would another spinner make a difference?

The ball wasnt really spinning as Ajmal got most of his wickets with straight balls and Swann wasnt great in their innings.

Surely if the batsman fail to deliver the goods then its not the bowling attack which gets changed??
 
essex boy said:
Why would another spinner make a difference?

The ball wasnt really spinning as Ajmal got most of his wickets with straight balls and Swann wasnt great in their innings.

Surely if the batsman fail to deliver the goods then its not the bowling attack which gets changed??
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I know your a bit obtuse so Ill try to explain it simply. Swann took four wickets hardly deserving of your critisism. How many more might he have taken if he had a bit more support from another spinner? Sorry how many wickets did the pakistani spinners take? 15 was it? Tremlet took no wickets not helping with the wickets tally. We bowled well but imo adding a second spinner would help especially on these wickets. Abu Dhabi is known to be tough on bowlers with the previous two tests being high scoring draws.

Panesar will play in the 2nd test, they are hardly going to drop a batter for him after their woefull display. That leaves Tremlett.
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
I know your a bit obtuse so Ill try to explain it simply. Swann took four wickets hardly deserving of your critisism. How many more might he have taken if he had a bit more support from another spinner? Sorry how many wickets did the pakistani spinners take? 15 was it? Tremlet took no wickets not helping with the wickets tally. We bowled well but imo adding a second spinner would help especially on these wickets. Abu Dhabi is known to be tough on bowlers with the previous two tests being high scoring draws.

Panesar will play in the 2nd test, they are hardly going to drop a batter for him after their woefull display. That leaves Tremlett.
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Let me explain this simply.

Most commentators who have played and watched a lot of cricket, said England did exceedingly well to bowl Pakistan out for 300 on a flat pitch which didnt turn. The fact 15 wickets fell to spin was down to the fact that England are hopeless against it not because they are playing on a dry bunsen which is turning square.

Let me explain this simply.

When a team underperforms woefully with the bat, it is usually give a chance to redeem itself not dropping people after one test which has been given as a reason for Englands success of late, espeically dropping someone who has put in some remarkable performances with the ball of late. Pakistan illustrated with their batting that seamers are just as likely to get them out as spinners.

Your comment is typical of the 'English disease' where you lose a test and change is required. Our flaws run a lot deeper than swapping a seamer for a spinner and expect everything to be alright.

Panesar record in Asia is 19 wickets @ 53.68 as per the attached

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I get what you're saying about Panesar, it's difficult to say whether bringing him in would make a difference, it's hard to find much fault with our bowling in this test and playing 2 spinners isn't necessarily going to see us skittling them for 150 in Abu Dhabi.

For me, despite our generally good bowling performance, I'd be tempted to bring in Finn for Tremlett, I think his extra pace could be more threatening to the Pakistani batsmen than Tremlett was, where he appeared to become a bit easy to read at times.
 
chelt_mackem said:
I get what you're saying about Panesar, it's difficult to say whether bringing him in would make a difference, it's hard to find much fault with our bowling in this test and playing 2 spinners isn't necessarily going to see us skittling them for 150 in Abu Dhabi.

For me, despite our generally good bowling performance, I'd be tempted to bring in Finn for Tremlett, I think his extra pace could be more threatening to the Pakistani batsmen than Tremlett was, where he appeared to become a bit easy to read at times.
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Agree with this. I would've had Finn instead of Tremlett for this test match to be honest.

I'm just not a big fan of Tremlett, for someone so large he really doesn't impose himself enough on batsmen. For his size he just isn't quick or intimidating enough.
 
essex boy said:
because the same twat who is in charge of us and who is suppose to the best thing since sliced bread is continually failing to do anything about our failings in asia against spin.

Asian sides have never toured well in England. This was suppose to be a new era of english dominance, I say thats bollocks until we get a proper coach
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Tosh

The step change needed to bridge the gap will not come from one man, no matter how good a coach he is or isn't ( and Flower is, in my opinion,very sound ) We need top young cricketers honing thier skills is Asia on a more regular basis, long before they play Test cricket.

England were poor. Yes we have some average platers of spin - The skipper, Cook, Broad to name a few. This will not be resolved with Graham Thorpe or Flowers intervention, it would be far too late.

England were crap. It happens now and again. Key to success in Australia was planning and i am not sure that they have spent enough time in a country in which they have played no Test cricket.

England are good at bouncing back.
 
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I'd replace Tremlett (sp) with Bopara

I think his bowling would be perfect over there also might add a few needed runs
 
Some massive overreaction as usual. Terrible performance with the bat but lets not jump to any conclusions about being 'terrible against spin' - It seems to me from what iive read rather than seen thats theres been some pretty poor shot selection rather than being rabbits in the headlights.

This England team is made of stern stuff and I expect them to come back strongly and all our front line batters (Strauss excepted possibly) can work out methods to score runs against that attack in those conditions.

EB setting himself up for a fall as usual
 
BOYCEY said:
I'd replace Tremlett (sp) with Bopara

I think his bowling would be perfect over there also might add a few needed runs
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Are you seriously suggesting that we play a test match with 3 bowlers???

Bopara is shit. Should never play for England again.
 
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