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England v Pakistan Test Series

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Broad at 7 as a bowling all-rounder with Panesar as second spinner? If they weren't already thinking about it, then the injury to Bres has given them the perfect excuse to go for it. Finn for Bresnan was a straight swap, but Finn isn't anywhere near as competant with the bat as Bresnan. These Tests' will be won by a teams ability to take 20 wickets IMO, so playing an additional bowler and pushing Broad up to 7 (he has a Test century y'knar) wouldn't be a bad idea in theory.

If you have had 2 years of good cricket winning most tests I would be amazed to see a change in strategy. England play a grind you down type of cricket and will go with the aim of winning one test match and not losing the other two. Pack the side with batting to ensure they dont get bowled out cheaply.

If the 4 man attack cannot take 20 wickets is Pansear really like to make that much difference.
 

If you have had 2 years of good cricket winning most tests I would be amazed to see a change in strategy. England play a grind you down type of cricket and will go with the aim of winning one test match and not losing the other two. Pack the side with batting to ensure they dont get bowled out cheaply.

If the 4 man attack cannot take 20 wickets is Pansear really like to make that much difference.

Err Aye. Five is better than Four surely? The pitch's are going to be slow and placid and conductive to spin. Swann cant shoulder the responsibility of bowling 30-50 overs each innings. He needs some help. Part time peterson doesnt count. Yes we have been winning with the 4 bowler strategy for the last couple of years. But in your own words you say we have been gash on the subcontinent, then why not change it?

If we lose this series, imo it wont because our batting let us down (because no matter how bad they are, we can scramble to 240-350), it will be down to our bowling and our inabillity to break down their batters and take 20 wickets. They have been quite defensive of late, with some part of their support critizing Misbah for being too defensive in their batting (strike rate of 2.5ish throughout their inninings against srilanka and Bangaldesh)

Pakistan playing one spinner is out of the question. Why is that then? its not the shortage of quicks, they have plenty.
 
Broad at 7 as a bowling all-rounder with Panesar as second spinner? If they weren't already thinking about it, then the injury to Bres has given them the perfect excuse to go for it. Finn for Bresnan was a straight swap, but Finn isn't anywhere near as competant with the bat as Bresnan. These Tests' will be won by a teams ability to take 20 wickets IMO, so playing an additional bowler and pushing Broad up to 7 (he has a Test century y'knar) wouldn't be a bad idea in theory.

Agreed. The other factor to playing 5 bowlers is the fact it will be very hot over there and the quicks won't be able to sustain 10 over spells consistently without becoming ragged later on. With 5 recognised bowlers, as opposed to 4 plus Pietersen/Trott/Bopara, we can hopefully keep all of them fresher for longer throughout the innings to keep things tighter.
 


Outbat them with 7 batters like i said

Good read.

You still havnt answered my question in my last post about two spinners.

Looking from their last few series this will be Paks line up.

Mohammed Hafeez- Average-36, 4 hundreds, 6 fifties
Taufeeq Umar- ave 41, 7 hun, 12 fif
Azar Ali- ave 42, 1 hun, 12 fif
Younis Khan- ave 53, 19 hun, 25 fif
Misbah Ul Haq (C)- ave 46, 3 hun, 14 fif
Asad Shafiq/Umar Akmal- ave 40, 1 hun, 3 fif,-ave 36, 1 hun, 6 fif
Adnan Akmal- ave 30, 1 fif
Abdur Rehman- bowling average 56 wickets @ 30
Umar Gul- ave, 146 wickets @ 32
Saeed Ajmal- ave, 83 wickets @30
Azad Cheema- ave, 19 wickets @ 24

Yes that line up in inexperianced, even Misbah has relativly few tests behind him. Whats glaring about that lineup is the use of only two seemers. Im not sure trying to out bat them with 7 batters is the way to go, unless we are going to do what they are, which is to only play with two seemers and two spinners, which we havnt got the balls to do.

So the only way it seems likely to get two spinners in the lineup is to play 5 bowlers. If their batting is so inexperienced then surely our 6 batters will make the runs as their 7? making space for an extra spinner? If we only go with swann then the best result we can get is a draw (swann might have a injury too). FFS they are playing with three.
 
Good read.

You still havnt answered my question in my last post about two spinners.

Looking from their last few series this will be Paks line up.

Mohammed Hafeez- Average-36, 4 hundreds, 6 fifties
Taufeeq Umar- ave 41, 7 hun, 12 fif
Azar Ali- ave 42, 1 hun, 12 fif
Younis Khan- ave 53, 19 hun, 25 fif
Misbah Ul Haq (C)- ave 46, 3 hun, 14 fif
Asad Shafiq/Umar Akmal- ave 40, 1 hun, 3 fif,-ave 36, 1 hun, 6 fif
Adnan Akmal- ave 30, 1 fif
Abdur Rehman- bowling average 56 wickets @ 30
Umar Gul- ave, 146 wickets @ 32
Saeed Ajmal- ave, 83 wickets @30
Azad Cheema- ave, 19 wickets @ 24

Yes that line up in inexperianced, even Misbah has relativly few tests behind him. Whats glaring about that lineup is the use of only two seemers. Im not sure trying to out bat them with 7 batters is the way to go, unless we are going to do what they are, which is to only play with two seemers and two spinners, which we havnt got the balls to do.

So the only way it seems likely to get two spinners in the lineup is to play 5 bowlers. If their batting is so inexperienced then surely our 6 batters will make the runs as their 7? making space for an extra spinner? If we only go with swann then the best result we can get is a draw (swann might have a injury too). FFS they are playing with three.


Pakistan had 3 spinners at Lords so often play an array of spinners.

When you say they are playing three FFS, I would suggest they are still playing 3 front line seamers
 
Pakistan had 3 spinners at Lords so often play an array of spinners.

When you say they are playing three FFS, I would suggest they are still playing 3 front line seamers

No mate, going by their last three series, They are defo only playing TWO seemers, GUL and CHEEMA. Even their allrounders are spin options apart from Razzak who wont play the tests.

They will play with two frontline spinners Ajmal and Rehman with Mohammed Haffez as backup.

Why are we only playing Swann who might not be fully fit? Why are we so scared of playing two spinners?
 
Anyone else not convinced on Morgan yet, supposedly he's in to destroy the spinners, but he seems to be getting out to them cheaply in these warm up games. I know it's not test match conditions but he always looks suspect against seam bowling when iv'e seen him. The only problem would be who'd replace him on this tour...Bopara!!
 
Anyone else not convinced on Morgan yet, supposedly he's in to destroy the spinners, but he seems to be getting out to them cheaply in these warm up games. I know it's not test match conditions but he always looks suspect against seam bowling when iv'e seen him. The only problem would be who'd replace him on this tour...Bopara!!

I was thinking Morgan's form would nudge England towards going in with 6 batsmen but I don't think they can do that with Bresnan's injury, don't think you want Swann at number 8.
 
Morgan has been slighty off form I agree, However I would still stick with the gypo like. I like his batting style compliments the other batters well.

Anyways Paneser for starting berth anyone? Especially as he took a fifer in the tour match. Got to play two spinners now like.
 
I'd play 3 seamers and the 2 spinners.

Have to take 20 wickets to win and I think our 6 batsmen will outscore their 7.
With having a keeper as good as Prior it gives us the option of playing 5 bowlers and on what looks like flat pitches that will spin I can see our batting line up getting the required amount of runs.

Would have preferred Bresnan at 7 and Broad at 8 but obviously can't do that.


Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Panesar
 
I'd play 3 seamers and the 2 spinners.

Have to take 20 wickets to win and I think our 6 batsmen will outscore their 7.
With having a keeper as good as Prior it gives us the option of playing 5 bowlers and on what looks like flat pitches that will spin I can see our batting line up getting the required amount of runs.

Would have preferred Bresnan at 7 and Broad at 8 but obviously can't do that.


Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Panesar

I'd go with that apart from maybe Tremlett for Finn. That's a difficult one as Tremlett is in possession and done nothing wrong, but Finn came on so much over the summer. Might as well toss a coin.
 
will def go with 2 spinners for at least 1 test match. monty will come in and morgan will drop out. seamers will be tremlett, broad and anderson.
 
I'd play 3 seamers and the 2 spinners.

Have to take 20 wickets to win and I think our 6 batsmen will outscore their 7.
With having a keeper as good as Prior it gives us the option of playing 5 bowlers and on what looks like flat pitches that will spin I can see our batting line up getting the required amount of runs.

Would have preferred Bresnan at 7 and Broad at 8 but obviously can't do that.


Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Panesar

Not a bad shout that mate. Although I agree with you about playing two spinners, I got a sneaky feeling that the selecters will bottle it. If only we could play two spinners without having to drop a batter.
 
Not a bad shout that mate. Although I agree with you about playing two spinners, I got a sneaky feeling that the selecters will bottle it. If only we could play two spinners without having to drop a batter.

Not having a proper all rounder is our downfall.
We haven't needed one yet but this is when we could do with one.
 
Getting proper gee'ed up for the match tommorrow like. cannit beat a bit of test cricket.



Tuesday, January 17-21, Dubai
Start time 1000 (0600 GMT)


Big Picture


History will hang heavily over this series. Three Pakistan players are serving custodial sentences after being found guilty on match-rigging charges during the 2010 series in England. However much England suggest that the affair is now largely a media obsession and Pakistan provide indications of more stable and contented times, such matters cannot be easily waved aside.


That Pakistan recover their strength and reputation is vital for the health of world cricket and England have been reminded of their responsibilities to contest the series in a natural manner and to rise above any resentment, which does exist, over what has gone before without losing the competitive and aggressive edge that has contributed to their rise to the No. 1 Test side in the world.


Pakistan are careful not to speak of "home advantage" because Dubai, however much the conditions might be similar to those in Lahore or Karachi, is simply not home. But sub-consciously England feel themselves in an away series, not a neutral one. Their policy of six specialist batsmen, three pace bowlers and a solitary spinner automatically comes under strain on placid surfaces and the loss of Tim Bresnan, the most capable batsmen in their lower order, does not make a change of tack easy.

Test series between Pakistan and England have often been wonderfully combative affairs. As long as the pitches in Dubai and Abu Dhabi encourage attractive cricket, it is an appealing prospect.


Form guide


Pakistan: WWDWD
England: WWWWW



Players to watch


Saeed Ajmal has enlivened the build-up to the Test by announcing, Shane Warne-style, that he is about to unleash a formidable new delivery. The doosra - "the other one" - is about to be supported by the teesra - "the third one".



Whatever the impact of that proves to be, Ajmal will test England's improvement against spin bowling to the utmost. For England, Stuart Broad will be desperate to escape the run of injuries that have disrupted his progress over the past year. A bruised foot suffered when batting in the nets is unlikely to hinder him, but it gives a further impression of vulnerability that he could do without.


Team news


Any temptation that England felt to abandon their policy of six batsmen disappeared the moment that Tim Bresnan, the sturdiest batsman among the bowling attack, left the tour through injury. To include Monty Panesar as a second spinner would therefore entail perming three fast bowlers from six. In the first Test at least, they are likely to exclude Panesar and stick to a proven formula.


Pakistan (probable) 1 Mohammad Hafeez, 2 Taufeeq Umar, 3 Azhar Ali, 4 Younis Khan, 5 Misbah-ul-Haq (capt), 6 Asad Shafiq, 7 Adnam Akmal (wk), 8 Abdur Rehman, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Saeed Ajmal, 11 Wahab Riaz


England (probable) 1 Andrew Strauss (capt), 2 Alastair Cook, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Ian Bell, 6 Eoin Morgan, 7 Matt Prior (wk), 8 Stuart Broad, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 James Anderson, 11 Chris Tremlett


Pitch and conditions


England are bracing themselves for a demanding bowling experience on a benign surface in ferociously hot conditions. The two Tests played at the DICS so far don't entirely support that view with only one total so far in excess of 400.


Stats and trivia



•England are sure to remain top of the ICC Test Championship if they do not lose to Pakistan by more than a one-Test margin in the three-Test series.
•England have three bowlers - Graeme Swann, James Anderson and Stuart Broad - in the top four of the Test rankings.
•In their last home series against Pakistan, England dismissed the opposition for less than 100 on three occasions.
•Pakistan have won nine, lost 11 and drawn seven of their 27 Tests since their loss of home Tests because of security concerns. Only seven of those Tests have been at a neutral venue.


Quotes


"It's all a bit smoke and mirrors isn't it. Just remember, you don't play the bowler and what he says, you play the ball that comes out of his hand."
Graham Gooch, England's batting coach, admits to a spot of cynicism about the threat of Saeed Ajmal's teesra.

"It's good to see every player backing the other. The days of infighting and rifts seem to be over."
Wasim Akram, the former Pakistan captain, anticipates happier times.

"We play our cricket very, very hard. There's no way Jimmy Anderson, who is a grumpy bowler, is not going to be grumpy. The guys will still be aggressive, that's what has got us to No 1."
Kevin Pietersen, reflecting on how past history might affect the mood of the Pakistan v England Test series
 
Strauss
Cook
Trott
KP
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson
Panesar
 
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