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England v Pakistan Test Series

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ProfessionalMackem said:
Anderson at home 167 wickets @ 27
away from home 76 wickets @38

in Australia 29 wickets at 35.

Jimmy has better stats what ever way you look at them EB. It was two tests Australia mind. Its not my fault he's a mummy's boy and doesnt like playing away from home, ahh poor diddums. Can you explain those damning stats in my last post show consistency in Broad but in the same breath show Anderson as incapable? You're full of shit EB. ;-)
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Jimmy had an abysmal average in Australia after two tests, so much so he couldnt get a game for England for a while

JA average comparison is one rank better than Broad, is Jimmy a flat track bully as well? Chuck in the fact Jimmy has had 8 years in or around the test side compared to Broads 4, I would expect with Jimmys far greater experience to have far better consistent average between home and away tests

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essex boy said:
Jimmy had an abysmal average in Australia after two tests, so much so he couldnt get a game for England for a while

JA average comparison is one rank better than Broad, is Jimmy a flat track bully as well? Chuck in the fact Jimmy has had 8 years in or around the test side compared to Broads 4, I would expect with Jimmys far greater experience to have far better consistent average between home and away tests

your post is shite
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So your point is Jimmy has been been playing longer so he's bound to have better stats? Haway man just admit it, he is better end of. Jimmy might be a flat track bully. Some of the better bowler's have been. Shohib Ahktar being one.

chelt_mackem said:
I'm going with either 1-1 or 2-0 England. With the likelyhood of some fairly placid wickets out there, I reckon there's a good chance one match will be a high scoring draw. Equally, our determination to continue to prove we're the world's best will lead us to victory at some point, it's just a question of whether or not we can do it on more than one occasion. If we're prepared to take the risk and play 5 bowlers, we'll have the fire power to take 20 wickets.

My starting 11 would be:

Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Panesar
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Not a bad shout mate. Id start with that side.
 
chelt_mackem said:
I'm going with either 1-1 or 2-0 England. With the likelyhood of some fairly placid wickets out there, I reckon there's a good chance one match will be a high scoring draw. Equally, our determination to continue to prove we're the world's best will lead us to victory at some point, it's just a question of whether or not we can do it on more than one occasion. If we're prepared to take the risk and play 5 bowlers, we'll have the fire power to take 20 wickets.

My starting 11 would be:

Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Panesar
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Bresnan in for Finn and I think that would be very close to mine. Think England will keep 6 batters though ... and to be honest given the number of good fast bowlers we have we can afford to rotate them to avoid being over bowled and get away with 4 specialist bowlers. I think we'll miss not having a batting all rounder the most this series.
 
If its a two spinner pitch then IMO we will go with 5 bowlers that being swann, panesar, Anderson with Broad and bresnan included to improve the batting. If its a one spinner pitch then it will be Anderson swann broad and a horse for course selection.

Broad needs as much experience as possible as potentially he could be as good as botham
 
I think it largely depends on what the pitch is like for pace and bounce to determine whether we go with Finn or Bresnan. If it's looking like a fast bouncy wicket, I'd pick Finn because of the big increase in pace we've seen from him the last few months. If it's a wicket looking more likely to get a bit of movement off the seam, Bresnan would be the more obvious choice.

Whether it's a spinning pitch or not, I hope we do go with 5 bowlers as it's likely to be very hot out there, and if Pakistan start batting long one day, that extra rotation of the bowlers will be vital. Problem is, if the selectors think like this, they'll pick Bopara :roll:
 
essex boy said:
hadnt won in Australia for 24 years

Prediction for India on basis half team wouldnt be injured

Pakistan rid of corruption and playing good cricket
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Playing good cricket against Bangladesh though, hardly an achievement to be proud of.

I'm going to be honest and say I fancy England to win this series comfortably. Pakistan's batting line up isn't great and aside from Gul and Ajmal their bowling is no great shakes either.

I'd be very tempted to start Finn ahead of Tremlett and Bresnan. He has the kind of raw pace (he was bowling mid-90's in the summer IIRC) that this side needs and it will only aid his development learning how to bowl on, what are likely to be slow, flat pitches.
 
Dexter said:
Playing good cricket against Bangladesh though, hardly an achievement to be proud of.

I'm going to be honest and say I fancy England to win this series comfortably. Pakistan's batting line up isn't great and aside from Gul and Ajmal their bowling is no great shakes either.

I'd be very tempted to start Finn ahead of Tremlett and Bresnan. He has the kind of raw pace (he was bowling mid-90's in the summer IIRC) that this side needs and it will only aid his development learning how to bowl on, what are likely to be slow, flat pitches.
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conveniently forgetting Sri Lanka on wickets they are use to
 
Very tough series this IMO. Fancy it could well up all square as Pakistan are always difficult to beat on home soil and seem to be a lot more settled than usual - Misbah has done a great job with the captaincy.

Key tests for England will be how the batsmen approach Ajmal on slow, turning pitches and whether the seam bowlers can offer enough variety in their plans to take wickets on what will be pretty unresponsive pitches. One slight criticism of the England set up from my point of view would be that although it's very well thought out and planned, their tactics can be very rigid and inflexible. The seamers will have to think on their feet and work on their varieties to do well on those pitches.

I also think England may need a 5th bowler in this series. Bopara was pretty handy in the world cup on similar type pitches and whilst I'd loathe to leave Morgan out particularly when good players of spin are needed, I think it could be a worthwhile risk to play Bopara at 6.
 
The Breen Machine said:
Very tough series this IMO. Fancy it could well up all square as Pakistan are always difficult to beat on home soil and seem to be a lot more settled than usual - Misbah has done a great job with the captaincy.

Key tests for England will be how the batsmen approach Ajmal on slow, turning pitches and whether the seam bowlers can offer enough variety in their plans to take wickets on what will be pretty unresponsive pitches. One slight criticism of the England set up from my point of view would be that although it's very well thought out and planned, their tactics can be very rigid and inflexible. The seamers will have to think on their feet and work on their varieties to do well on those pitches.

I also think England may need a 5th bowler in this series. Bopara was pretty handy in the world cup on similar type pitches and whilst I'd loathe to leave Morgan out particularly when good players of spin are needed, I think it could be a worthwhile risk to play Bopara at 6.
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Not quite though is it? Will that be a leveller?
 
The Breen Machine said:
I don't think so personally, as the pitches in Dubai are usually very similar to what you would get in Pakistan. Slow, low, quite turgid pitches. Either way, it will be very different to what England are used to.
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True, I imagine the pitches will be similar but the all round experience for the England players should be easier than in Pakistan. For starters the hotels, food and security should be better and will Pakistan have as many fans at the tests?

All of these things might make it a bit easier for us, we'll see.
 
Wise Man Says said:
True, I imagine the pitches will be similar but the all round experience for the England players should be easier than in Pakistan. For starters the hotels, food and security should be better and will Pakistan have as many fans at the tests?

All of these things might make it a bit easier for us, we'll see.
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All those points should make England feel slightly more at home, it's whether they can adapt on the pitch.

Should be a fairly good series despite it being likely to be quite a slow scoring battle.
 
The Breen Machine said:
All those points should make England feel slightly more at home, it's whether they can adapt on the pitch.

Should be a fairly good series despite it being likely to be quite a slow scoring battle.
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Aye, our record on the sub-continent is very ordinary so historically we've done this poorly. Were our last wins there the wins in SL and Pakistan in the early 2000s, the Pakistan series being when we completed the win with seconds to spare in the pitch black?
 
Wise Man Says said:
Aye, our record on the sub-continent is very ordinary so historically we've done this poorly. Were our last wins there the wins in SL and Pakistan in the early 2000s, the Pakistan series being when we completed the win with seconds to spare in the pitch black?
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Yeah although in fairness I think we have only played 5 series in total since?

India 2001/02 & 2008/09
SL 2003 & 2007?
Pakistan 2005/06
 
Wise Man Says said:
True, I imagine the pitches will be similar but the all round experience for the England players should be easier than in Pakistan. For starters the hotels, food and security should be better and will Pakistan have as many fans at the tests?

All of these things might make it a bit easier for us, we'll see.
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Pakistan had 12,000 fans at the opening day of one of the recent Sri Lanka tests apparently.
 
eddyfinn said:
If its a two spinner pitch then IMO we will go with 5 bowlers that being swann, panesar, Anderson with Broad and bresnan included to improve the batting. If its a one spinner pitch then it will be Anderson swann broad and a horse for course selection.

Broad needs as much experience as possible as potentially he could be as good as botham
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Ha'way Broad couldn't lace Beefy's spikes man. ;-)

The Breen Machine said:
Very tough series this IMO. Fancy it could well up all square as Pakistan are always difficult to beat on home soil and seem to be a lot more settled than usual - Misbah has done a great job with the captaincy.

Key tests for England will be how the batsmen approach Ajmal on slow, turning pitches and whether the seam bowlers can offer enough variety in their plans to take wickets on what will be pretty unresponsive pitches. One slight criticism of the England set up from my point of view would be that although it's very well thought out and planned, their tactics can be very rigid and inflexible. The seamers will have to think on their feet and work on their varieties to do well on those pitches.

I also think England may need a 5th bowler in this series. Bopara was pretty handy in the world cup on similar type pitches and whilst I'd loathe to leave Morgan out particularly when good players of spin are needed, I think it could be a worthwhile risk to play Bopara at 6.
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Iirc his captaincy record stands at p25 won 23 in all comps with test average of 70 as captain.

Good post. Our aim shouldn't be to score 500 plus as scores of 250-350 should suffice, but to be able to take 20 wickets. Would Bops be able to chip in?
 
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ProfessionalMackem said:
Iirc his captaincy record stands at p25 won 23 in all comps with test average of 70 as captain.

Good post. Our aim shouldn't be to score 500 plus as scores of 250-350 should suffice, but to be able to take 20 wickets. Would Bops be able to chip in?
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In terms of taking wickets he's unlikely to have much impact, but he could be a handy option to bowl 8-10 overs, take the heat off the established seamers in difficult conditions and help free them to perform more as strike bowlers.
 
The Breen Machine said:
In terms of taking wickets he's unlikely to have much impact, but he could be a handy option to bowl 8-10 overs, take the heat off the established seamers in difficult conditions and help free them to perform more as strike bowlers.
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i will be amazed if he features in any of the tests.
 
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