Try telling Essex Boy that
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Try telling Essex Boy that
it does when people have hypocritical short memories
Jimmy was woeful for years after his debut hence why he couldnt ever get a regular spot in the side
chopsfc007
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so you cant judge anyone who has been a regular until they have played for years
its not the fact you cant judge, its more the fact if you dontt hit the ground running you are immediately consigned to the scrap heap
its like driving a car, some pick it up in 5 lessons others take 35
rentaghost
Striker
Games wise no more than Broad. His average after 36 test was better than Broads is now yet one was the devil incarnate and the other the greatest thing since sliced bread.
After 34 tests they both had identical career averages
Its not just about the amount of games, its the exposure Jimmy had had to international cricket even if not in the starting XI plus Jimmy is 4 years older so should be further along in his development.
Broad is also asked to fill a variety of roles with the ball in addition to having to concentrate more on his batting than Jimmy done
Broad is also in the midst of a career slump so averages are easy to poke fun at when one is in his peak form and the other is at the bottom of his form
R
randle
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I have never seen a player swing as hard as Luke Wright only for the ball to go so slowly off the bat. Has he ever middled one in an England shirt? Bresnan is similar. Swing from the hips and it goes nowhere.
Don't want to get into another Jimmy/Broad arguement but surely the point of averages is that they make the peaks and troughs irrelevant?
mikemanc said:
In the case of Wright averages should be taken with a pinch of salt. If he had the luxury of building an innings with a 75 strike rate like the top order his basic stats would be far better. As it is he has to throw his bat for the good of the team time after time (much like Prior in Test cricket).
eddyfinn
Striker
I would like to see Wright given a prolonged chance at 7 with at least 8 overs given to him a game. He is the most natural number 7 ODI we have in county cricket but he has been messed around far too often and not given enough chances with the ball even though he does no worse than our main attack. If he is shite after that then fair enough. There is not many players who can hit as far as him and bowl 80mph+, he can when given the chance build an innings too.
Dexter
Striker
He doesn't clear the ropes enough to be used as a number 7, and his technique is nowhere near good enough to find the gaps to hit fours and rotate the strike.
His best role IMO is at the top of the innings to take advantage of the powerplays, but sadly for him he isn't anywhere near good enough to deal with international new ball bowlers.
eddyfinn
Striker
I disagree but I take your point. You can't blame anyone for not being convinced by him but i think he has the ability, just needs to bring it all together.
I appreciate that, I think he's been messed about way too much in the last few years. He should be opening the batting if he's going to play but I don't think his techniques solid enough to do that, too many times he tries to smash the ball into orbit and completely loses his technique.
And I just meant that if you are comparing two players averages current form doesn't really matter. But there's a lot more to factor in than that.
Dexter
Striker
I hope he does, but I just don't see it.
He doesn't have the raw power to make up for his technical deficiencies; and with him being reluctantly used as a bowler I fail to see where his position in the team lies.
rentaghost
Striker
Thats a kop out and is more to do with SB still not knowing his own game well enough and he should do by now. I'm far from poking fun at Broad who I think is a very good cricketer with the attributes to be excellent but hes a good yardstick to use when you slaughter Jimmy. Broad is now an experienced test cricketer and his record is there to be scrutinised.
you dont half talk some shite at timees but that has to be your best post I have ever read.
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