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Your England ODI team for September

Lumley End said:
Neither is Curran, he’s rotten.
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I think with the Curran the question that needs to be asked is, is there anyone else better in England who could perform that number 7 role as an all rounder in one day cricket.

And I am not sure there is tbh.

Certainly don’t think Livingstone or Dawson better and can’t think of anyone else if we accept Stokes will not play again.

And most if not all teams have that all rounder now in their side.

So on that basis should he be in???
Birtley Black Cat said:
Salt
Duckett
Root
Pope (c)
Brook
Bethell
Buttler (wk)
Carse
Archer
Rashid
Topley
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Surely it can’t be right having probably our best white ball batsman ever at 7!
NorthCountryBoy said:
Bethell and Root represent a weak 5th bowler mind. The lack of a decent all rounder is killing us.
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Yeah totally agree, that’s why when considering all options think Curran best of that group tbh.

His batting also seems to be getting better ever year.

It’s not something anybody can be confident about but best of available options imo
I would go

Duckett
Brook
Root
Hain
Buttler
Smith
Curran
Dawson
Archer
Rashid
Topley
 
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Voice of fair play said:
It’s not the way I have ever looked at things in top level team sport.

Coaches/managers etc at any top level sport are under a lot of pressure to get results so simply pick the best team they think will win games.

I have always respected opinions on boards like this about who should be in certain teams be it football or cricket.

When it’s based of the merit of a player.

But I have never respected conspiracy theories like he only selected for England football team because he plays for certain club or not selected for England cricket team for drinking and golf.

Like I say people picking teams are under immense pressure to get results so simply pick a team that they think will win games.

Anything else I find nonsense
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results indicate some evidence though that the relaxing golf time has been overdone at the expense of planning tactics and selection procedure. Hence the thought one of the golf mates. Criticism is justified and as I've posted previously claims you've got to play golf to be selected aren't intended as fact.
As to Buttler being best white ball batter ever is even more ridiculous- he's 40th in the ICE batting ratings.
 
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Parkside said:
results indicate some evidence though that the relaxing golf time has been overdone at the expense of planning tactics and selection procedure. Hence the thought one of the golf mates. Criticism is justified and as I've posted previously claims you've got to play golf to be selected aren't intended as fact.
As to Buttler being best white ball batter ever is even more ridiculous- he's 40th in the ICE batting ratings.
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It’s widely recognized Buttler is one of Englands best ever white ball batsmen so that’s not ridiculous in the slightest!

Think you not getting what I am saying mate.

Of course criticism is justified we been really poor and of course there is justification for other players like Hain to be selected nobody including me is saying anything else??

The point I am making which I believe I have made obvious.

Is that I find it complete nonsense that the side has been picked on anything but merit on the cricket field.

Once again I respect views on different selection on that basis but not other nonsense.

And if that other nonsense not meant why say it?
 
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NorthCountryBoy said:
Bethell and Root represent a weak 5th bowler mind. The lack of a decent all rounder is killing us.
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I honestly don't understand how Lewis Gregory only got the covid riddled Pakistan series.

Scored 77 and 40 batting at 7. Then took 4/97 opening with the ball.

He was 29 at the time so hardly some over the hill player. But he doesn't whack the ball a million miles(when he's in the same postcode of the ball) like Livingstone :rolleyes:
 
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mackembhoy said:
I honestly don't understand how Lewis Gregory only got the covid riddled Pakistan series.

Scored 77 and 40 batting at 7. Then took 4/97 opening with the ball.

He was 29 at the time so hardly some over the hill player. But he doesn't whack the ball a million miles(when he's in the same postcode of the ball) like Livingstone :rolleyes:
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Good shout
 
Voice of fair play said:
It’s widely recognized Buttler is one of Englands best ever white ball batsmen so that’s not ridiculous in the slightest!

Think you not getting what I am saying mate.

Of course criticism is justified we been really poor and of course there is justification for other players like Hain to be selected nobody including me is saying anything else??

The point I am making which I believe I have made obvious.

Is that I find it complete nonsense that the side has been picked on anything but merit on the cricket field.

Once again I respect views on different selection on that basis but not other nonsense.

And if that other nonsense not meant why say it?
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Buttler is capable of playing match winning innings- statistics show that there are many with better averages in both runs and strike rates-I'm a great believer in statistics.
What I'm claiming is that there appears to be little thought or care in the selection process. I don't for one moment think selection is based on golf prowess but looking at the performances of many ,others should have been given opportunities.- Crawley, Jennings,Hain,Cook,Potts. Topley ,Curran and Willey would offer variation to the attack.
At present it does appear to be a closed shop. I await what Key has to say.
 
Parkside said:
Buttler is capable of playing match winning innings- statistics show that there are many with better averages in both runs and strike rates-I'm a great believer in statistics.
What I'm claiming is that there appears to be little thought or care in the selection process. I don't for one moment think selection is based on golf prowess but looking at the performances of many ,others should have been given opportunities.- Crawley, Jennings,Hain,Cook,Potts. Topley ,Curran and Willey would offer variation to the attack.
At present it does appear to be a closed shop. I await what Key has to say.
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It’s simple really the players currently in the side are on the judgement of the selectors the best players for the job.

There is a very good argument based of results that they are wrong I agree.

But thats it really nothing more nothing less.

People can read into more into but that’s it as far as I am concerned

Although I would say as in England football players always seem better when out of the side.

Apart from Salt and Livingstone, could totally see why the selectors went with the batters they did.
 
One of the big problems is the lack of an all rounder. Stokes has ‘knitted’ the side together for so long, the issue now is we either have 4 bowlers with Root/Livingstone/Bethell making up the 5th bowler, or we lose a batsman and end up with an Overton at 7.
 
Voice of fair play said:
It’s simple really the players currently in the side are on the judgement of the selectors the best players for the job.

There is a very good argument based of results that they are wrong I agree but that’s it really nothing more nothing less.

People can read into more into but that’s it as far as I am concerned

Although I would say as in England football players always seem better when out of the side.

Apart from Salt and Livingstone, could totally see why the selectors went with the batters they did.
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Yeh, I'm questioning the selectors -replacements for Salt and Livingstone should have been sought long ago.
We'll await Key's postmortem.
hudson88 said:
One of the big problems is the lack of an all rounder. Stokes has ‘knitted’ the side together for so long, the issue now is we either have 4 bowlers with Root/Livingstone/Bethell making up the 5th bowler, or we lose a batsman and end up with an Overton at 7.
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Curran is an all-rounder.
 
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Parkside said:
Yeh, I'm questioning the selectors -replacements for Salt and Livingstone should have been sought long ago.
We'll await Key's postmortem.

Curran is an all-rounder.
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That’s absolutely fine mate them two should be questioned especially how long Livingstone has kept his place, however think the rest of the top six excluding Salt, were perfectly valid and totally understandable picks.
 
Voice of fair play said:
That’s absolutely fine mate them two should be questioned especially how long Livingstone has kept his place, however think the rest of the top six excluding Salt, were perfectly valid and totally understandable picks.
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Aye but 2 wrong out of six isn't very good. And Brook's fallibility against spin should have been addressed.
 
1 out of the top six but let’s not spilt hairs ;)

Brook going through a bad trot, but he walks into the team for me.
hudson88 said:
One of the big problems is the lack of an all rounder. Stokes has ‘knitted’ the side together for so long, the issue now is we either have 4 bowlers with Root/Livingstone/Bethell making up the 5th bowler, or we lose a batsman and end up with an Overton at 7.
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That’s why Curran should play
 
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We could debate names until the cows come home, but I think we broadly agree that there are 3 key roles that need sorting as a priority:

Captain
Spinner
All-rounder

Get these 3 sorted then build and structure the team from there IMO.
 
Parkside said:
Aye but 2 wrong out of six isn't very good. And Brook's fallibility against spin should have been addressed.
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Voice of fair play said:
1 out of the top six but let’s not spilt hairs ;)

Brook going through a bad trot, but he walks into the team for me.

That’s why Curran should play
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Well Livingstone is selected as a batting all-rounder surely.Brook's vulnerability against spin means he'll be targeted with spin as soon as he comes in so until he overcomes it he's a walking wicket.With proper coaching he'll adapt,problem is I don't know of any spin batting coaches.
 
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