It's registered and would not advertise as you say for knackers. Was hoping there was some organisation that would responsibly rehome if possible. Having gone through having a dog put to sleep I would prefer not to do this but for the babies sake will. Its a lovely dog at the minute, obviously this will change as it grows. I would hope they have learned but do not have much faith. Cannot educate pork.
XL Bullies
- Thread starter Charmless Man
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Locke's SAFC
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I reckon part of the problem is that people get these dogs and they do not understand dogs. There's a myth that providing you socialise your dog or provide the appropriate training then that will make for a peaceful dog. It will help but it's not the whole solution. Dogs are more than how they are trained; genetics plays an important part in a dog's make-up. There are a lot of issues with these dogs: inbreeding meaning behavioural traits are reinforced in the breed and meaning they suffer from health issues which in turns gives the dog a low aggression threshold, bred to fight and that behaviour exists in breeds today, in many cases the dogs are bred for looks and size and not temperament or health. Add in that these are big, powerful dogs and anybody having one of these in their home, especially around bairns, is taking an ignorance based risk. I wouldn't say the relative is stupid but more ignorant of the breed. When I say 'bred for looks', personally I think they're as ugly as sin but to each their own.
All dogs are capable of aggression of course, especially in breeds where there has been a lot of inbreeding due to a small gene pool/in demand. But, you're not going to shake one of these off your leg or stop it from mauling someone. These dogs have the capacity to turn, and training/socialisation is only part of the solution. Other factors, such as genetics/breeding: you have no control over.
Anyway, the answer is education for prospective dog owners. 'No use in listening to Chelsea across the 'road who has had one 6 months, a year, or whatever and thinks it's cute. Read articles from people who make a living from being around dogs, training them, breeding them, knowing dogs inside out and what drives them. Personally, I'd be advising my relative to learn something about big, powerful dogs before deciding to have one as a pet.
They already have the dog mate, after advice on legally removing it.
Dave Hosselhaff
Winger
You can just put a hold on their bottom jaw and they wimper off. Easy man
Locke's SAFC
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What I was thinking is that your relative is clearly somebody who, for whatever reason, doesn't feel the need to do a bit of research on these dogs even though they've been in the news for mauling people, they've been banned and he or she has a bairn in the house. What happens when the next big monster dog becomes de rigueur among those who like to walk down the street with an over-sized, dangerous animal? It will happen because we have a lot of those types in this country, and many breeders will breed these dogs to make money with no regard for the dog's temperament or health. The next dog will be banned eventually but what happens when your relative decides to get one before that breed is banned and he or she has a 10 year old or whatever in the house? It's your family, mate, but there is clearly the potential for it to go that way.
To be fair, I feel sorry for the dogs. Unscrupulous breeders looking to make money and then the dogs have to be put down. If you or I had been bred to fight and had been the subject of inbreeding, we wouldn't be wired up right either, and then because of the inbreeding we have health issues and are in pain we'd be aggressive as well. People should know that before getting one of these dogs and assuming that 'socialisation' will solve the dog's problems because they've heard it repeated somewhere.
Either way, the best place to have your question answered is on the RSPCA website. I'm not sure if you're aware of this but it is illegal to own an XL Bully unless you have a Certificate of Exemption. It is illegal to rehome an XL Bully also. In your situation, you need to get in touch with a police dog legislation officer, that is the government's legislation. Assuming the dog is an XL Bully, then it will be put to sleep because it is also illegal for animal charities to rehome an XL Bully.
Charmless Man
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Had a Staffy off the lead start walking up the drive the other day whilst I was walking out the door to walk my dog (on lead).
Now the Staffy was clearly friendly and just coming to say hello, and normally my dog would be fine out at the park or whatever but she’s a livestock guardian breed and extremely protective of the house so she’s reared up at this dog snarling and barking. Luckily I’m not one of those people who just lets their dog out of the house off lead which I’ve seen before.
Owner was already past the house and just unaware of where his dog was in terms of catching up to them.
Swindon On Tour
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All about the owner and the dog.
Unfortunately so many owners are oblivious to their own dog and their character.
Out this Morning we encountered 2 horses, told mine to sit, which he does, no lead, collar or barking I can trust him. Both trotted past with no problems and riders acknowledging.
Mind you we met a lovely Jack Russell on a canal boat, Alice and was chatting to the owner, he was encouraging my Lab to come on board and meet his dog, daft lump climbed aboard and the two were inseparable.
The problem I had was wanting to leave, he sat down on the towpath and wanted to stay.
I can well understand your dog wanting to protect your house and you know the dog and habitat.
Cheers for the reply mate, no one had any idea they were considering a dog of this type and the family only found out when the father visited and the dog was already in the house. They did not pay for it they took it in because it was going to be put down due the dangerous breed, so they were fully aware of the problems but did it anyway. So unless we manage to invent a time machine to prevent a snap decision then banging on about research is pointless. It was a daft decision they have been told numerous times of the stupidity of having a dangerous dog in the house with a young child and told to give it back to the lad who had it. They did not listen. They have been told until they show a level of maturity they are not allowed any more pets and any they take in future will be removed. At the end of the day both are adults, allowed to vote fight for their country etc there is only so much family can do.
I have contacted the rspcc and others but was looking for any advice (the research you keep mentioning) as to other options as did not want a healthy young animal which given the proper care in a suitable home may turn out to be a decent pet to be put to sleep. We have complied with all legislation and as stated was looking to see if there were other options before putting the dog to sleep.
Locke's SAFC
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No bother mate, everyone makes a mistake. 'All I was saying is that it really is worth looking into these breeds to understand the risk with the dog.
It will cost your relative in the end because he or she will have to pay to have the dog put to sleep. I'm not exactly sure what the cost is, but their size means cremation costs are increased and more drugs are needed to euthanise them. Anywhere between a 100 and 400 quid.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'complied with all legislation' but if you mean the dog has a Certificate of Exemption, then why did the previous owner give the dog away? There is no legal requirement to have the dog put to sleep in that event.
Either way, whether or not the previous owner had a Certificate of Exemption, it is illegal to rehome an XL Bully. With a Certificate of Exemption, the conditions are that the owner must have third party public liability insurance and the dog is neutered. So, while the previous owner gave the dog away, he or she has saved themselves all of those costs and more than likely knew all of that, decided he or she couldn't afford it or chose to not pay it; and passed a problem on to your relative.
Given the previous owner has broken the law, I would be suggesting that he or she coughs up for the cost of having the dog put to sleep.
By the way, it is illegal for animal charities to rehome an XL Bully also. They can keep them in kennels but they won't do that out of welfare for the animal.
A point aside, some owners abandoned their XL Bully rather than pay the costs associated with a 'Certificate of Exemption' or having the dog put to asleep. Starving XL Bullies have been found roaming around. I don't know the financial situation of your relative nor the mindset, but given he or she took in the dog on a whim; an outsider may think that the relative will abandon the dog rather than pay the costs on a whim. You may want to inform your relative that abandoning the dog is not an option and he or she is just going to have to learn a lesson the hard way, or get the previous owner who committed a criminal offence to pay the costs.
It's difficult to get a straight answer. The police have been and the dog is registered with them now, the previous owner has not been prosecuted but is known to the police as they have tried to take the dog back, but are unable to. To be honest not bothered about this it is what it is. We want the dog out of the house and would prefer rehoming if possible. If not then the dog will be getting put to sleep with me footing the bill.
Right decision. The kiddie is a million times more important than any pooch. I've been a dog owner for the last 35 years BTW.
Locke's SAFC
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You could try ringing the RSPCA but I have a feeling they won't take the dog for a few reasons: they'd have to keep the dog in a kennel and do not want to do that out of animal welfare, they were against the ban and are not overly fond of having dogs put to sleep when the dog has no visible health conditions, the cost to animal charities has been significant considering their budget as they've had to pay to have them put to sleep.
Feel free to do some reading, e.g. the government's website guidelines, but given it is illegal to rehome an XL Bully, including when done by an animal charity; I'm pretty sure you cannot rehome this dog. 'Looks like you'll be tipping up for the bill if that's what you want to do rather than have the previous owner who committed a criminal offence cough up. By the way, a vet is not obliged to put the dog to sleep, so you may have a bit of trouble finding one on the moral grounds of putting to sleep a dog that isn't suffering from any obvious health problems and because the vet practice may not have the facilities to ensure a big, potentially dangerous animal is not a risk to the vet and associated staff.
I am almost certain that your only option from here is to have the dog put to sleep unless you'd rather break the law and attempt to rehome this dog.
In terms of cost, the government had a scheme where owners could claim compensation of 200 quid towards the costs of having their XL Bully put to sleep. That scheme isn't in place anymore. The point of saying that is you can pretty much guarantee that it's going to cost you more than 200 quid.
If it was me and I wanted the dog out of the house as soon as possible and done lawfully, I'd be busy ringing around vets to arrange it. As said, some vets will decline on moral and/or safety grounds and there aren't that many vets knocking around.
Feed the Monster
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State of the cliched fuck nut that has just become the first owner to be prosecuted. Should be him that’s getting euthanised not the mutt…
www.mirror.co.uk
First XL Bully owner prosecuted under new law insists dog was 'great with kids'
Police attended Patrick McKeown's property in Worthing, West Sussex, saw a dog running around in the back garden and identified it as an XL Bully, which are now banned
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f.t.metro
Central Defender
Colour me unsurprised at the clip of himState of the cliched fuck nut that has just become the first owner to be prosecuted. Should be him that’s getting euthanised not the mutt…
First XL Bully owner prosecuted under new law insists dog was 'great with kids'
Police attended Patrick McKeown's property in Worthing, West Sussex, saw a dog running around in the back garden and identified it as an XL Bully, which are now banned
Bob Fleming
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Claims the dog is great with kids but will attack anyone that goes near it.State of the cliched fuck nut that has just become the first owner to be prosecuted. Should be him that’s getting euthanised not the mutt…
First XL Bully owner prosecuted under new law insists dog was 'great with kids'
Police attended Patrick McKeown's property in Worthing, West Sussex, saw a dog running around in the back garden and identified it as an XL Bully, which are now banned
We really need to euthanise elements of our society.
