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Xhaka not happy with the early leavers

Binxy said:
18 access tunnels in the lower Stretford end in that photo.
How many are in the entire South Stand, 5-6 maybe?
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Less.

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Bacchus said:
Like the idea of keeping the big gates locked until final whistle, all those who want to leave early are scanned. Repeat offenders miss out on loyalty and moved to the Premier Concourse the following season out of the way.
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Initially the club could just see who was doing it. Once or twice a season and you accept these people have valid reasons.

Have set points that attract warning letters, or consultation.
 
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Binxy said:
18 access tunnels in the lower Stretford end in that photo.
How many are in the entire South Stand, 5-6 maybe?
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I'm not sure whether the club would go for it on the basis it might impinge on any expansion plans, but if fans in the upper section could enter and exit via the back of the stand it may help disperse crowds before and after games.
 
Randy Savage said:
I'm not sure whether the club would go for it on the basis it might impinge on any expansion plans, but if fans in the upper section could enter and exit via the back of the stand it may help disperse crowds before and after games.
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I suspect a lot of the so called "early leavers" don't actually leave at all.
There's always loads standing in the access tunnels and slowly making their way down the stand while the game is still on.
 
Bacchus said:
Like the idea of keeping the big gates locked until final whistle, all those who want to leave early are scanned. Repeat offenders miss out on loyalty and moved to the Premier Concourse the following season out of the way.
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There is just not a chance any football club is going to keep fans locked in against their will. It's a non starter. In fact it's a mental suggestion.
 
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DonaldDownTheWing said:
No one is suggesting keeping fans in against their will. Just saying anyone leaving early has to scan out via the turnstile using their season ticket.
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True to some extent but if you're refusing exit because someone won't scan a ticket, they'd be there against their will. It's a pretty dodgy situation. Completely different to not letting anyone in if they don't scan a ticket.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
You're right, back in the day there were other types who made the atmosphere, but the working class lads who a lot of people today don't like, were a big part of it. A huge part of it. And, the other fans in an end didn't think their fellow fans were the scum of the earth, so it was all a load of people singing together.
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I’ll ask again.

What behaviours do you want to display that you feel like you are not able to? What should be allowed that currently isn’t?
 
Randy Savage said:
I'm not sure whether the club would go for it on the basis it might impinge on any expansion plans, but if fans in the upper section could enter and exit via the back of the stand it may help disperse crowds before and after games.
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There is plenty of space behind there but would take a fair bit of work from the club, it would definitely help as sometimes if I'm in row 36 or there abouts it take 20 mins plus after final whistle to get out. And as much as some would like it to be my whole life football is just a small part of it and i have other interest or commitments to go to.
 
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nelford_safc said:
True to some extent but if you're refusing exit because someone won't scan a ticket, they'd be there against their will. It's a pretty dodgy situation. Completely different to not letting anyone in if they don't scan a ticket.
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Providing the club adequately communicate it then I don’t think it’s dodgy at all. You could have almost all of the turnstiles available for use so queues shouldn’t be an issue, and the gates would open as soon as the final whistle went anyway.
 
BarnesPark said:
I’ll ask again.

What behaviours do you want to display that you feel like you are not able to? What should be allowed that currently isn’t?
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If you read other threads you’ll see he’s a racist, so you can take a guess what he’d like to do, with impunity.
 
Cack Stottie said:
Quite possibly, yes.


We are supporters. Our job is to support, unless there's a valid reason to not support them. In the past, when we had people at the club who took it for granted and showed it no respect, there was valid reason to vote with your feet. This team, this manager, this owner, etc etc can not be placed in that category. That alone is why we should be calling it out for what it is.
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My two penneth worth on this.

I’ve always stayed until the end. I don’t consider myself to be a better fan than those who leave early, it’s just what I’ve always done.

It’s probably as much as a habit as those who always leave on 80 or 85 minutes.

I’ve been going since the early 70’s and in that time the only game I’ve left before full time was a game a few years ago when I had the flu. I was freezing cold and couldn’t stop shaking (one of the lads next go be thought I was having a seizure).

That said, although it maybe isn’t a great look I can’t get vexed if people choose to go early.

It certainly isn’t OUR JOB to support. Football is, or should be a pleasure, a form of entertainment. People go to work at their jobs all week to earn a living, to provide for their families (or themselves). Part of that hard earned income is allocated to pursue interests / hobbies. If they decide they aren’t enjoying what they’ve spent money on they are perfectly entitled to leave at whatever time they like.
Football, maybe unlike many other things, illicits very strong emotions in people but the article on the RR website in which the author conducts a vitriolic attack on fellow fans is in poor taste imo.
 
Alfa said:
My two penneth worth on this.

I’ve always stayed until the end. I don’t consider myself to be a better fan than those who leave early, it’s just what I’ve always done.

It’s probably as much as a habit as those who always leave on 80 or 85 minutes.

I’ve been going since the early 70’s and in that time the only game I’ve left before full time was a game a few years ago when I had the flu. I was freezing cold and couldn’t stop shaking (one of the lads next go be thought I was having a seizure).

That said, although it maybe isn’t a great look I can’t get vexed if people choose to go early.

It certainly isn’t OUR JOB to support. Football is, or should be a pleasure, a form of entertainment. People go to work at their jobs all week to earn a living, to provide for their families (or themselves). Part of that hard earned income is allocated to pursue interests / hobbies. If they decide they aren’t enjoying what they’ve spent money on they are perfectly entitled to leave at whatever time they like.
Football, maybe unlike many other things, illicits very strong emotions in people but the article on the RR website in which the author conducts a vitriolic attack on fellow fans is in poor taste imo.
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Wow. I hadn’t seen that article but I’ve read it now. The first bit by Ian Bendelow is way OTT and certainly not the way to change people’s behaviours.

“If you’re offended by any of the below and leave early – good. Because I mean every word.
And if you don’t like it? Piss off and support Newcastle.
Three years ago a survey was carried out to find out which club had the most “early leavers.” Interestingly, the top six places were taken by the clubs considered the “big six.”
The reason why, I suspect, is that there are far more casual fans of their clubs who go as tourists, on a corporate ticket or simply because the wins don’t mean as much.
Though I’d be willing to bet if this survey were carried out across the last three home games, Sunderland AFC would come out so far in front that it would be like the equivalent of winning the league in November.

It might be an excuse when the club is floundering at the bottom of the league, but when the stadium is emptying in front of a team that is the best we’ve had in decades, it’s a terrible look. The players notice it, senior club officials notice it, and it’s talked about; don’t worry about that. They see you, we all see you.
Rumours are that Granit Xhaka noticed fans flocking to the exit, in a mass movement that would have put the great Serengeti wildebeest migration to shame. When other players come to him, or any other senior player and ask whether they should sign for Sunderland, I’ll tell you now, the kind of nonsense witnessed against Fulham and Brighton will stick in their minds.
To all those early leavers, I ask you this: why do you do it? You actively harm the club’s chances of getting a result. The crowd can and does have an impact. Are you desperate to get the number 56 bus back to Concord? Do you like riding up front on the Metro and insist on nabbing that seat? Or are you just so desperate for a pint of Carling (because that’s what early leavers drink) that you just have to leave?

So, unless there is a good reason, your behaviour is pathetic. I hate it, and I hate you for doing it. It adds to the frustration felt in a game that is already maddening, as it was against Brighton. It also means I need to stand up to see the action.
It dispels the notion that this is a great club, with passionate fans that create atmospheres that make opposition clubs not want to come here. Conversely, it tells the away side that after 85 minutes, it’s job done, because these melts are a soft touch.
The club cannot call you out, but you should be held to account. You should have to scan your season card when you leave the stadium, so the club knows who is taking an early dart, and the bunch of helmets who do leave early should go to the back of the queue when it comes to away tickets, as well as for Wembley. You should have to pay more on renewal. You should get letters from the club reminding you of your responsibilities.
You leave a match early, you’re basically a fair-weather fan, with no cojones to see the game out. And you probably just don’t care as much. If that is the case, please – don’t bother coming in the first place.”
 
Early leavers are right. They can leave early if they want. But it is objectively shit support, makes the club look shit and doesn’t send a great message to players and prospective future players. If they don’t care then that’s also fine, but don’t then moan when we never kick on.
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
Wow. I hadn’t seen that article but I’ve read it now. The first bit by Ian Bendelow is way OTT and certainly not the way to change people’s behaviours.

“If you’re offended by any of the below and leave early – good. Because I mean every word.
And if you don’t like it? Piss off and support Newcastle.
Three years ago a survey was carried out to find out which club had the most “early leavers.” Interestingly, the top six places were taken by the clubs considered the “big six.”
The reason why, I suspect, is that there are far more casual fans of their clubs who go as tourists, on a corporate ticket or simply because the wins don’t mean as much.
Though I’d be willing to bet if this survey were carried out across the last three home games, Sunderland AFC would come out so far in front that it would be like the equivalent of winning the league in November.

It might be an excuse when the club is floundering at the bottom of the league, but when the stadium is emptying in front of a team that is the best we’ve had in decades, it’s a terrible look. The players notice it, senior club officials notice it, and it’s talked about; don’t worry about that. They see you, we all see you.
Rumours are that Granit Xhaka noticed fans flocking to the exit, in a mass movement that would have put the great Serengeti wildebeest migration to shame. When other players come to him, or any other senior player and ask whether they should sign for Sunderland, I’ll tell you now, the kind of nonsense witnessed against Fulham and Brighton will stick in their minds.
To all those early leavers, I ask you this: why do you do it? You actively harm the club’s chances of getting a result. The crowd can and does have an impact. Are you desperate to get the number 56 bus back to Concord? Do you like riding up front on the Metro and insist on nabbing that seat? Or are you just so desperate for a pint of Carling (because that’s what early leavers drink) that you just have to leave?

So, unless there is a good reason, your behaviour is pathetic. I hate it, and I hate you for doing it. It adds to the frustration felt in a game that is already maddening, as it was against Brighton. It also means I need to stand up to see the action.
It dispels the notion that this is a great club, with passionate fans that create atmospheres that make opposition clubs not want to come here. Conversely, it tells the away side that after 85 minutes, it’s job done, because these melts are a soft touch.
The club cannot call you out, but you should be held to account. You should have to scan your season card when you leave the stadium, so the club knows who is taking an early dart, and the bunch of helmets who do leave early should go to the back of the queue when it comes to away tickets, as well as for Wembley. You should have to pay more on renewal. You should get letters from the club reminding you of your responsibilities.
You leave a match early, you’re basically a fair-weather fan, with no cojones to see the game out. And you probably just don’t care as much. If that is the case, please – don’t bother coming in the first place.”
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That’s the one. In fairness there’s also a couple of contributors further down the article who give an alternative view. The first one though is extreme to say the least !
 
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