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Worse than Mankad

TwasOnTheFifthOfMay said:
Exactly. He was in his crease after the ball had been played and was settled 8n the keepers gloves. Dead ball.
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While i disagree with the Aussies gamesmanship , if the above were true there would be no stumpings and no stood up keeper waiting for an overbalance.
If this hadnt been last ball of the over id applaud the keeper but it was and its a cheat to accept the wicket . I dont particularly blame the keeper for doing it as you play every ball aggressively and instinctively so you dont miss any chance but i do blame the skipper for not withdrawing .
 

I'm not sure where I stand on this one (other than inside my crease, obviously).

I've almost been run out myself in similar circumstances - the keeper missed the stumps, but I'm now careful not to leave my ground until I'm sure the ball is dead.

In terms of the 'Spirit of Cricket' - the Aussie's have no moral compass in that regard - however is it all that different to Stuart Broad edging to first slip and refusing to walk?
 
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay said:
Exactly. He was in his crease after the ball had been played and was settled 8n the keepers gloves. Dead ball.

So you play all of your shots from the crease do you? Of course you're trying to gain an advantage, by playing the ball nearer where it pitches.
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Not compared to the advantage trying to pinch a yard or 2 from the non-strikers in the Mankad situation that I was responding to. It’s kind of hard to make my point here and I know where you’re coming through, but most glove men myself included will have tried the Carey like stumping at some time or another.
brandon said:
Argue the semantics if you want, I too have been a wicket keeper, if a batsman stands out of his ground and/or advances after playing a shot that’s one thing - but in this instance Bairstow thought the over was completed (as it was), marked his guard and is making zero attempt to affect a run.
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Not my intention to argue owt marra. Just putting a point of view over. It’s a toughie, but Bairstow must be more switched on. Maybe it’s not like that at pro level but at the low level I played at I’d always be waiting for the umpires to call over before wandering down to the middle of the track.
rentaghost said:
As said a mankad isn’t as bad because at least it’s getting out a batsman out who is seeking an advantage. If you have no issue about yesterday you should have less of an issue with a mankad with or without warning.
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Dunno about that, maybe I was just a **** as a w/k then! I’ve done what Carey did. I have also bowled (badly) in my time and I’d always warn someone backing up too much.
 
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nowtgoodeverhappens said:
Not compared to the advantage trying to pinch a yard or 2 from the non-strikers in the Mankad situation that I was responding to. It’s kind of hard to make my point here and I know where you’re coming through, but most glove men myself included will have tried the Carey like stumping at some time or another.

Not my intention to argue owt marra. Just putting a point of view over. It’s a toughie, but Bairstow must be more switched on. Maybe it’s not like that at pro level but at the low level I played at I’d always be waiting for the umpires to call over before wandering down to the middle of the track.

Dunno about that, maybe I was just a **** as a w/k then! I’ve done what Carey did. I have also bowled (badly) in my time and I’d always warn someone backing up too much.
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If youre not a **** as a wiki your not in the game. I would throw at the stumps , whip the bails off when theyre in, no bother , you want them nervous of that line and having to concentrate in two directions .
But id expect my skipper to turn a dodgy one down if it landed and i certainly wouldnt press it.
 
Yahrba said:
If youre not a **** as a wiki your not in the game. I would throw at the stumps , whip the bails off when theyre in, no bother , you want them nervous of that line and having to concentrate in two directions .
But id expect my skipper to turn a dodgy one down if it landed and i certainly wouldnt press it.
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Totally agree with that. It’s your job behind the timbers to be a prize arse. Keep them on their toes and having the need to keep you in the corner of their eye. I think personally (minority view though it is) that keeping them on their toes by aggressively policing the popping crease at all times is less dubious than trying to put them off with verbals. Back in the day I’m sure I tried more than once with a batter who went walkabout. Always missed. Kept him honest for the rest of his innings at least though.

Bairstow never even looked back to see what Carey might be up to. I mean, it was still a dirty trick, but it was an Aussie keeper pulling it. What planet has he been playing his cricket on to not suspect that an Aussie keeper might pull a dirty trick once in a while?
 
Fleagle said:
Totally agree with that. It’s your job behind the timbers to be a prize arse. Keep them on their toes and having the need to keep you in the corner of their eye. I think personally (minority view though it is) that keeping them on their toes by aggressively policing the popping crease at all times is less dubious than trying to put them off with verbals. Back in the day I’m sure I tried more than once with a batter who went walkabout. Always missed. Kept him honest for the rest of his innings at least though.

Bairstow never even looked back to see what Carey might be up to. I mean, it was still a dirty trick, but it was an Aussie keeper pulling it. What planet has he been playing his cricket on to not suspect that an Aussie keeper might pull a dirty trick once in a while?
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Aye Bairstow was tappy lappy like but i think half of it is you dont expect that kind of shit in front of the whole world . Chippy afternoon on a colliery ground you stay a bit more ' aware'
 
nowtgoodeverhappens said:
But he was stumped, not run out. No batsman who is stumped is seeking to gain any advantage. It’s a hard lesson to learn but Bairstow is a pro and should be more switched on. I’ve kept wicket in the past and done the same as Carey, as have most keepers at some point or other. It’s usually done to pick up on carelessness from the batsman.
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Well that’s a bit of nonsense mind. Batsman bat outside their crease so that they can try and limit how they can be out LBW all the time.
Matnab said:
Do the umpires audibly shout 'over' at the end of an over. It's not something I can say I'm familiar with?
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They do in Club cricket for sure, don’t know about international/county level
 
Matnab said:
Do the umpires audibly shout 'over' at the end of an over. It's not something I can say I'm familiar with?
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David Shepherd used to physically move six objects from one coat pocket to the other to keep count and then shout over after the sixth legal delivery.
 
seaham ftm said:
How isn’t it the same thing you said batsman aren’t trying to get an advantage by batting outside of their crease.
If it wasn’t an advantage keepers wouldnt go and stand up to the stumps to force them back in the crease?
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That to me is just part of batting where you take your mark, bit different in my book to the comparison of pinching a yard or 2 backing up.
 
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