Why do I love the German national anthem so much?



Locke's SAFC said:
The Russians would have beaten them on their own because in the end all of Germany's problems were of their own making: logistics, resources, planning and so on. Germany simply did not have enough of either of those things to win that war. It didn't really matter what help Russia was given because eventually the Germans were inevitably going to run out of resources. With every inch of ground they went farther into Russia they lost more men that they couldn't replace fast enough and the going got tougher as Russian resolve hardened the deeper into Russia they went. It was just a matter of time before the Russians counter-attacked and started to push them back and got on a roll.
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So how would the Russian offensive looked then ? . Their resources where limited and thay had no counter offence .
 
Locke's SAFC said:
The Russians would have beaten them on their own because in the end all of Germany's problems were of their own making: logistics, resources, planning and so on. Germany simply did not have enough of either of those things to win that war. It didn't really matter what help Russia was given because eventually the Germans were inevitably going to run out of resources. With every inch of ground they went farther into Russia they lost more men that they couldn't replace fast enough and the going got tougher as Russian resolve hardened the deeper into Russia they went. It was just a matter of time before the Russians counter-attacked and started to push them back and got on a roll.
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Russia had one ally the Germans couldn't defeat, just as Napoleon's forces over a century before were unable to; General Winter.
 
CatRyan said:
about 800 joined for Franco and were heavily encouraged to by the church I think
there was also a Socialist and IRA contingent went to fight for the other side

done
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Slightly off topic, but seen as we are vaguely on the Spanish Civil War, Bob Doyle's book " Brigadista" is definitely one of the best books I've ever read on it. He fought alongside Kit Conway and Frank Ryan and mentions his opposition to O Duffy as well.
 
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El Oso said:
Slightly off topic, but seen as we are vaguely on the Spanish Civil War, Bob Doyle's book " Brigadista" is definitely one of the best books I've ever read on it. He fought alongside Kit Conway and Frank Ryan and mentions his opposition to O Duffy as well.
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Eoin O Duffy. That’s another one.
 
Eric gates hair said:
So how would the Russian offensive looked then ? . Their resources where limited and thay had no counter offence .
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The Russians had a few things in their favour: a much superior tank that really shocked the Germans even when they were steam-rollering them in the early phases; a much deeper well of men they could call on; preparation for winter war; and so on.

It's a myth that the Germans 'only lost because of the bad weather'. They lost because they failed to prepare and they could not replace the resources that were increasingly drained: men, equipment and fuel type resources.

German generals tried to tell Hitler the whole thing was bad idea because they knew Germany could not defeat them in a few months and nor were they prepared for a protracted war.

As I say, no more than a matter of time.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
The Russians had a few things in their favour: a much superior tank that really shocked the Germans even when they were steam-rollering them in the early phases; a much deeper well of men they could call on; preparation for winter war; and so on.

It's a myth that the Germans 'only lost because of the bad weather'. They lost because they failed to prepare and they could not replace the resources that were increasingly drained: men, equipment and fuel type resources.

German generals tried to tell Hitler the whole thing was bad idea because they knew Germany could not defeat them in a few months and nor were they prepared for a protracted war.

As I say, no more than a matter of time.
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There's a very interesting book which demonstrates how Germany's policies actually doomed them to failure.

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The Wages of Destruction - Wikipedia

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Basically, everything they occupied cost them more resources than they generated.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
The Russians had a few things in their favour: a much superior tank that really shocked the Germans even when they were steam-rollering them in the early phases; a much deeper well of men they could call on; preparation for winter war; and so on.

It's a myth that the Germans 'only lost because of the bad weather'. They lost because they failed to prepare and they could not replace the resources that were increasingly drained: men, equipment and fuel type resources.

German generals tried to tell Hitler the whole thing was bad idea because they knew Germany could not defeat them in a few months and nor were they prepared for a protracted war.

As I say, no more than a matter of time.
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Excellent post.

The Russians were hopeless at the start but then learnt quickly from their mistakes and out-thought the Germans.
 
El Oso said:
Slightly off topic, but seen as we are vaguely on the Spanish Civil War, Bob Doyle's book " Brigadista" is definitely one of the best books I've ever read on it. He fought alongside Kit Conway and Frank Ryan and mentions his opposition to O Duffy as well.
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Read that myself, brilliant book and fascinating man.

An amazing time on history when working class people from all nations fought together for something they believed in. We'll never see the like of it again with a corporate media driven world
 
Eric gates hair said:
So how would the Russian offensive looked then ? . Their resources where limited and thay had no counter offence .
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'Not sure what you mean. It began just outside of Moscow in 1941 and they never really looked back despite the odd setback. The Germans actually outnumbered the Russians for the first time outside of Moscow but vital other resources had been drained. The Russians had a far superior tank and were knocking them out like cadburys produces curly wurlys.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
'Not sure what you mean. It began just outside of Moscow in 1941 and they never really looked back despite the odd setback. The Germans actually outnumbered the Russians for the first time outside of Moscow but vital other resources had been drained. The Russians had a far superior tank and were knocking them out like cadburys produces curly wurlys.
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They were also producing the Yak fighters quicker than they were losing them, and it was a match for the ME109 and FW190 from the start.
 
Cú Chulainn said:
Read that myself, brilliant book and fascinating man.

An amazing time on history when working class people from all nations fought together for something they believed in. We'll never see the like of it again with a corporate media driven world
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we may have brave men but we'll never have better
 
Locke's SAFC said:
The Russians had a few things in their favour: a much superior tank that really shocked the Germans even when they were steam-rollering them in the early phases; a much deeper well of men they could call on; preparation for winter war; and so on.

It's a myth that the Germans 'only lost because of the bad weather'. They lost because they failed to prepare and they could not replace the resources that were increasingly drained: men, equipment and fuel type resources.

German generals tried to tell Hitler the whole thing was bad idea because they knew Germany could not defeat them in a few months and nor were they prepared for a protracted war.

As I say, no more than a matter of time.
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If you are referring to the t34 tank, it was only superior in its simplicity to produce and maintain, although the design did include reflective angular panels which helped to encourage shells to bounce off without detonating.

As for national anthems, the only one I dislike is our own possibly as a result of recent political events but possibly because of my thoughts on the appropriateness of a royal family.
 

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