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TheWanderer said:
We got to a cup final and a play off final last year, after Ross had restructured the squad and looked to have turned around a club absolutely dying on its arse, and we chased him out, so yes i can imagine us calling for a managers head after some success.

Since PP has come in, he has tried to adopt a slightly better style of play to Ross which the fans clamoured for...the players are clearly not up to the job in my opinion, they lack any real fight. To appoint PP outside of a transfer window and start putting blame onto him is unfair, he should be afforded at least one window to bring some players in that he knows and can trust, but no, we're wanting that poor twats head already.

Our fans are f***ing clueless IMO!

And removing Catts from the squad to save a few quid means we are left with no leaders in the dressing room.

Again, our fans were vocal in wanting him out the door not understanding that although players may be finished on the pitch, they can offer an awful lot in the background.
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He also scored goals for us last season.
 


Being in this Division does not need a transfer budget, spending money SHOULD make the task much easier.
Take a look around, most teams are made up of free transfers or loans.
The key is having a Manager who can get the best out of the players available, clearly PP is nowhere near doing that.
 
andysafc24 said:
They are businessmen but they are human, they make mistakes too.
Bob Murray made mistakes, he admitted so with Wilko and there was others.
It is how they react to their mistakes.
They really do need to take a long hard look at themselves.
But that does not mean they cannot learn from their mistakes


Sunderland is a way of life.... win, lose or draw.


There is no x amount of games marker, you must go with your gut instinct.
Doing that you would know that Ross should have went after the playoffs final
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The trouble is, they manufactured a knee jerk situation when the fired Ross. A replacement should have been lined up weeks before hand as the owners knew what had happened at wembley and before that even with Ross . He hadto go. But to not even have a replacement manager identified to slip in once Ross had left was at best naive and at worst negligent. Not they came in with good intentions ,of that there is no doubt, but the size of the club and the finances especially to run it seem to not hav been taken into account. Its appears these two (I'll not count Sartori as he is not around and no one here really knows of his capital involvement) walked into what they may have thought was a casino, bet all their finances for promotion, stuck everything on Red and lost...Now its panic stations. This season does not seem to have been any learning curve as they are making even bigger mistakes.
 
dangermows said:
As if fans can do owt about this shit fest.
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Two choices go or give up.
andysafc24 said:
Being in this Division does not need a transfer budget, spending money SHOULD make the task much easier.
Take a look around, most teams are made up of free transfers or loans.
The key is having a Manager who can get the best out of the players available, clearly PP is nowhere near doing that.
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This 100%
We got rid of the rotten core (5) last year and the transformation is unreal.
We have one of the best young Managers in the FL currently but let’s hope before he moves on and he will. We get promotion this season.
 
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andysafc24 said:
Being in this Division does not need a transfer budget, spending money SHOULD make the task much easier.
Take a look around, most teams are made up of free transfers or loans.
The key is having a Manager who can get the best out of the players available, clearly PP is nowhere near doing that.
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I don’t think that is clear at this moment in time. The results in these cup matches have been awful and performances just as bad, no denying that, but I think he needs to be given a run of league games before he’s fully judged. At the minute he hasn’t done too badly in those but it’s been stop start and interrupted by the cup matches.

Let’s see what happens Saturday and take it from there.
 
andysafc24 said:
Being in this Division does not need a transfer budget, spending money SHOULD make the task much easier.
Take a look around, most teams are made up of free transfers or loans.
The key is having a Manager who can get the best out of the players available, clearly PP is nowhere near doing that.
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Despite a proven record in this league!

Give the twat a chance for fuck sake!
molthemackem said:
The trouble is, they manufactured a knee jerk situation when the fired Ross. A replacement should have been lined up weeks before hand as the owners knew what had happened at wembley and before that even with Ross . He hadto go. But to not even have a replacement manager identified to slip in once Ross had left was at best naive and at worst negligent. Not they came in with good intentions ,of that there is no doubt, but the size of the club and the finances especially to run it seem to not hav been taken into account. Its appears these two (I'll not count Sartori as he is not around and no one here really knows of his capital involvement) walked into what they may have thought was a casino, bet all their finances for promotion, stuck everything on Red and lost...Now its panic stations. This season does not seem to have been any learning curve as they are making even bigger mistakes.
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I think they sacked Ross knowing the takeover was going to tits and used it as a deflection from themselves, giving the fans what they wanted to smooth us over.
 
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6inarow said:
Mate, all these posts of not accepting what is going on, protesting etc... are getting tedious now. Look down the posts of all us Sunderland supporters feeling sorry for themselves, we should do this and we should do that! Well nobody will do fuck all because what is there to protest about? We can all have a whinge how we think we should do this and we should do that but in all honesty the best us fans we can do is support the team, simple as that. Now when we were doing 'alright' 10 years ago and having 48,000 at gates things were all rosy, now we are playing FA cup first round games in front of 7,000. Where have the 40,000 gone? where is the support for the team now?? I for one can lift my head high and say I was there through 'thick and thin' at gillingham home and away and been a constant for 30 years. Ellis Short fucked our club plain and simple and turned his back on it, These lads in charge, love them or hate them are putting plans in place for the next 10 years - something we have never had, this is just a blip in a lifetime of support for me and 'so called 40,000 other supporters'.

Just get on with going to the game and supporting the team ffs instead of typing pointless drivel on here - in the nicest possible way mate - its draining now reading this place
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Quite simply, one of the best posts I have seen on this board. Well said.
 
TheWanderer said:
Despite a proven record in this league!

Give the twat a chance for fuck sake!

I think they sacked Ross knowing the takeover was going to tits and used it as a deflection from themselves, giving the fans what they wanted to smooth us over.
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They might have done but they are not very clever treating supporters as idiots...Most ,can now see right through them for what they are......I disagree now with Donalds words, I'd say they are "Chancers"
 
vote quimby said:
This season is going the same way as the championship season. Same kind of managerial appointment("knows the league") and a group of players we all thought were good enough to get us back up. Turns out they're actually shit.
Honestly think the team is more capable of going down right now than competing anywhere at the top. This league stinks and we fit right in.
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I said we could go down a while back, got told to fuck off! :lol:

People harp on about having quality in the team, saying we should have enough about us to get into the playoffs.
It matters little how good or bad a team of players is when there’s factions, tension and egos in the dressing room.
Once the players down tools, you’re fucked. It’ll take a massive personality to galvanise this lot into a winning side.
Phil Parkinson? Hmmmm...

As I’ve said before, the club is broken, the team is broken. SAFC needs help and soon, or we’ll be looking at relegation or oblivion.

Cue the ‘bedwetter’, ‘man up’, ‘grow a pair’ and ‘dripping fanny’ comments from the usual knuckle draggers...
 
Morse said:
I said we could go down a while back, got told to fuck off! :lol:
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There is absolutely no chance Sunderland will get relegated. It's 500:1 at the bookies. They also have you as 2nd favorites to get promoted.

There a few people having complete meltdowns on here. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
At the end of the day PP will be judged on the league results. I think he’s had 5 cup games so far. Let’s see what happens in the next month or 2.
 
The Cabbage said:
If only it was as easy as sacking the manager. The real problems lie in Donald, Hill and Coton.
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As you say, it is those that appointed the manager that should take the blame. Parkinson is what he is-the vast majority did not want him. He is not to blame, the fans are not to blame-The buck stops with the people who set him on. Maybe they saw something in him that 75% of the fan base could not see-or maybe as we all think HE WAS CHEAP.
 
andysafc24 said:
Apathy is the acceptance of the unacceptable- John Stott

I am all for giving PP a chance, even though he was not on my shortlist, but to be given a chance he must show he is worth it.
Each game we seem worse under him.
I mean... zero shots against Gillingham???

Leicester sacked their Manager a few months after winning the Premier League
Tottenham sacked their Manager a few months after a Champions League final

Could you imagine us calling for the Managers head after any of those?
Since PP came in we have stumbled to new low levels in our long history with no glimpses of any improvement whatsoever.
Serious questions need to be asked why he was appointed
Or we can accept failure and continue to be a shadow of a once proud club.
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Sunderland have had a terrible few years... The main problem is that you demand instant results when in reality the job at Sunderland requires a long term plan so that you don't find yourself in this position again... So that means that at some point you have to allow a manager time to rebuild the club from the ground up.

Everybody knows Sunderland are a big club at this level but that doesn't automatically mean you should have 3 points fall into your lap every week.

If you continue with the current clubs philosophy you will be a yo yo club forever wondering why you are not achieving the things a club like Sunderland should be achieving... OR you accept where you are, realise its a long term job that needs more time than just a few weeks and you build for a solid and more stable future


That being said, parkinson plays a drab style of football and was not the right choice for you at the time IMO
 
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Were looking at the situation all wrong, take for example the modern players point of view: no affinity with the place or club, purely a career move to improve their personal record and income, If it's not working out it's easier to ring your agent for a move than stick around in a no hope situation waiting for it to get better or if your past your best you simply ride out your contract, after all what's there to gain from busting a gut in league one when you've already seen better days in higher leagues? As for pride that goes out of the window in the mercenary mind of the modern footballer.
So sack off the has-beens, the arseholes that think they are better than the club, the workshy, the crocks and the mercenaries and get some young hungry players with some local talent in the mix, bring back performance related pay and bonuses and get some fucker in charge that has a f***ing clue and is not scared to go for it.





Or just wait for another rich American or Awab man to come along, bound to happen.
 
Gobuchul said:
There is absolutely no chance Sunderland will get relegated. It's 500:1 at the bookies. They also have you as 2nd favorites to get promoted.

There a few people having complete meltdowns on here. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You do realise this isn’t the last season for us in L1, right?
Next season could well be a relegation scrap with very different odds at the bookies if the owners don’t get a grip of the situation. SAFC has gone backwards dramatically this season.

Meltdown? Nah. I don’t have the energy to have a meltdown!
 
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