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Who's still backing Moyes?

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HBSAFC said:
Ok. New manager could come in and do worse though. And I'm still to see a decent suggestion of new manager from someone wanting him out.

Looking at the squad we are where you'd expect, especially with the injuries.
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We are stuck with him, I've already said that, although I didn't want him in the first place. Injuries are a concern, but he brought two injury prone players in, admittedly one is one of the better players but you won't get too many games from him
I can forgive quality,, what I can't forgive is a lack of passion and fight, and that should be driven from the top.
 

HBSAFC said:
Ok. New manager could come in and do worse though. And I'm still to see a decent suggestion of new manager from someone wanting him out.

Looking at the squad we are where you'd expect, especially with the injuries.



Had 1 month to get a squad together with limited funds, what were people expecting?
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More than what he did

Managers change every year, most don't have the worst start in premier league history
 
johnson said:
Plenty time man. Had all of preseason right up until the end of august

He bought dreadfully, no point really denying it on that particular issue
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Mate, most managers are preparing for the following season as soon as the previous ends. He had four weeks. It was a poor window but to try and spin to say he had all of pre season is at best naive and at worst lies.
 
johnson said:
He's had a lot to deal with I agree but he's done a poor job like

Truth be told we probably won't recover from that awful start, the worst in premier league history



Exactly

Moyes has had issues but he didn't join too late

He was here nearly all of pre season man
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Cobblers
 
Laidback Jack said:
Aye I am joking I wouldn't actually want Pardew.

I'm not saying sack him, just saying it might get to the stage whereby we look lost and need a PDC/Dick appointment.
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Phew!

What you say about PDC/Dick is part of our problem. We constantly look for short term solutions and then have the same problems.
 
dangermows said:
Mate, most managers are preparing for the following season as soon as the previous ends. He had four weeks. It was a poor window but to try and spin to say he had all of pre season is at best naive and at worst lies.
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Moyes has stated he talked to allardyce before he took the job, most recently regarding the character of a player he moved on.

That being the case, why did he not do more to address the issues he would have been briefed on by bsa, why was he not aware of the financial constraints which allaryce himself was honking about before he thinned out, and why did he take the job?

You consistently assert that moyes has been hamstrung, do you honestly believe he walked into this entire situation blind? Why would allardyce tell him some players are defective in character but not that short is a tight sod, and why would it not be known already in football circles? Bullshit
 
He is a very good manager in a very difficult situation. I wonder how many of our current players he actually rates?
He put JP in when our 1st choice got injured, then Watmore, Gooch. They all got injured. Then a bunch of our regular teams also got injured. It's just been one injury after another , one crisis after another.

If we do go down this season. It won't be because of the usual failings. It will be because at one stage or another half the first team was out!
 
dangermows said:
Mate, most managers are preparing for the following season as soon as the previous ends. He had four weeks. It was a poor window but to try and spin to say he had all of pre season is at best naive and at worst lies.
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He had longer than 4 weeks. Sure his start date was around 22nd July.

It's just an opinion but I'm pretty sure he would have knew he had the job well before his start date and was just waiting for Allardyce to get the England job. You would have hoped he would have been using this time preparing for his role.
 
gards2 said:
He is a very good manager in a very difficult situation. I wonder how many of our current players he actually rates?
He put JP in when our 1st choice got injured, then Watmore, Gooch. They all got injured. Then a bunch of our regular teams also got injured. It's just been one injury after another , one crisis after another.

If we do go down this season. It won't be because of the usual failings. It will be because at one stage or another half the first team was out!
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He played John O'Shea before his all time record signing Ndong. That much he rates his star man.:lol:

The man is a fraud, absolute shite for the past 3 years.
Wasted money, destroyed the atmosphere, shite tactics, shite motivational skills, shite subs, shite attitude etc etc. You're living in the past mate.
 
Moyes told the players Bournemouth was a must win game. Think he'll be saying the same in a week or 2.
marco popas said:
He had longer than 4 weeks. Sure his start date was around 22nd July.

It's just an opinion but I'm pretty sure he would have knew he had the job well before his start date and was just waiting for Allardyce to get the England job. You would have hoped he would have been using this time preparing for his role.
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Exactly.
 
He was my first choice to get the job and I was delighted with his appointment, but he's been a big disappointment to me so far. He doesn't have the players to be gung ho but is still overly negative and his substitutions have been poor, the football is dire and once again we are seeing the players simply unable to carry out the basics.

His demeanor is very uninspiring and it's worrying how often we have capitulated as soon as we concede a goal, there seems to be no leadership on or off the pitch and he needs to address things like this. There's no plan B and too often there's no real fight from the players, I know there's only so much he can do when the players cross that white line but the manager will always carry the can for performances on the pitch, that will never change, and at the moment, admittedly with a weak squad and injuries, it's not good enough.

He's not been backed massively but he's still been backed and in my opinion, his transfer dealings have been nothing short of disastrous. Every penny he's spent currently looks like a waste, no one has come in and improved the team except Anichebe and even his loan signings have been poor with the exception of Denayer who's been average at best.

I wouldn't say I'm behind him or even particularly against him at the moment. He's doing a bad job IMO but there's no real alternative that would make me want to dash out and sack him, his track record at Everton will help me retain a small fraction of hope but it's dwindling all the time, to be 3-0 down at home to Stoke within 35 minutes simply isn't good enough and it's not the first time this season we have rolled over and died against an average PL side.

No one else with a decent reputation would touch us anyway so we really need to hope Moyes gets his act together very soon because I can't see us getting out of the bottom 3 in a hurry.
 
marco popas said:
He had longer than 4 weeks. Sure his start date was around 22nd July.

It's just an opinion but I'm pretty sure he would have knew he had the job well before his start date and was just waiting for Allardyce to get the England job. You would have hoped he would have been using this time preparing for his role.
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That's all guess work.
 
If it was a fully fit squad bar usual knocks here and there, and no ACON etc then there would be a potential case.

But so much is going on with injuries I just think its incredibly harsh to judge him.

I'm happy to stick with him if relegation happens.

He has always been a builder, not a quick repair man and he was employed on that basis so we have to give him a chance to actually build.

I honestly don't think anyone in world football could get consistent good results out that 11 or 12 that are currently fit. When you look at that 12 players it's awful.

A midfield of Rodwell, Denayer (a centre back) and Larson (a right winger, converted to midfielder + with equivalent miles on clock as a 120k Ford Escort)

That midfield will have more bad days then good days I think it's safe to say. Is it the worst midfield in the Premier League?

It's natural to blame manager/coach when chips are down but FFS sometimes there's nothing they can do.
 
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