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Wembley distraction thread Haway or Howay

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Adamfsafc said:
As a Sunderland fan living in Newcastle I often get told that we copied this off them. Anyone shed any light on this?
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Ignore the daft we had to play friendlies to allow them to get into the league in the first place ! They are forever in our debt that their sorry excuse for a team exists at all .

We have never ever had to copy anything from them :rolleyes: In fact Sundelamd had two football league clubs before they even had one .

Sunderland AFC the north east original and best football club.
 

KarenDent said:
Ignore the daft we had to play friendlies to allow them to get into the league in the first place ! They are forever in our debt that their sorry excuse for a team exists at all .

We have never ever had to copy anything from them :rolleyes: In fact Sundelamd had two football league clubs before they even had one .

Sunderland AFC the north east original and best football club.
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You get the fuckers telt Karen lass. ;)
 
KarenDent said:
Ignore the daft we had to play friendlies to allow them to get into the league in the first place ! They are forever in our debt that their sorry excuse for a team exists at all .

We have never ever had to copy anything from them :rolleyes: In fact Sundelamd had two football league clubs before they even had one .

Sunderland AFC the north east original and best football club.
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watch oot the ladies on the warpath!!:lol:,spot on as well
 
As vowels were a quite recent invention(and were once quite fluid) they both mean exactly the same thing in the old language 'H'Way'.
 
Randy Savage said:
No they aren’t. They had a feature on old programmes a few years back and I spotted it. Just a tiny bit of text next to an image of the bridge iirc.
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That’s it. A genuine historic question on here and you get called a mag for bringing it up. First time I’d spotted it and found it odd. I’d always had a go at Niall for signing his book Howay and I only noticed this on the programmes yesterday

supersesh said:
Everyone knows its

Haway - sunderland
Howay - newcastle

However you’re making a legitimate point, why is it on the 1940’s programmes . Shame no one gives a fcuk to take you serious :lol:

I bet there is an interesting story behind it somewhere, you’d need people in their 80’s to tel you this one
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It took the conversation from the Wembley business for a short while at least. I honestly didn’t know that we used that spelling ever. I Like history and I just thought someone with a better historical brain about our club may have had a sensible answer
 
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bigmarlon said:
I'd be more interested in finding out how "haway/howay" means "come on". I bet there's an interesting story behind it.

Apparently in the Phillipines "haway" means exposed/become visible. I wonder if it's somehow derived from that.

Become visible lads!
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Nothing on Google on the etymology. There's a claim on Wiki that it's derived from "have way", which has been traced back to early North American settlers and meant "move on"; this would also explain the Quebecois "aweille". One contributor claims the original standard spelling was haway (disagreed by an angry anonymous Geordie). If it is a truncation of "have way", then clearly ha'way is the most accurate spelling.

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Is it not just a case of in the 40’s there wasn’t such a deifined split as there is now. As such, the spelling just wasn’t a big thing.
 
mackembulldog said:
probay been done to death this and I’d always had a go at Niall for signing his book Howay the lads rather than Haway. I’d always thought howay was from them up the road but as it turns out Howay is actually on our programs from the late 40s and 50s
So what’s right? Haway or Howay? (Cue replacement seats thread)
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Haway.. No discussion really. No matter how your accent bends it.
 
mackembulldog said:
probay been done to death this and I’d always had a go at Niall for signing his book Howay the lads rather than Haway. I’d always thought howay was from them up the road but as it turns out Howay is actually on our programs from the late 40s and 50s
So what’s right? Haway or Howay? (Cue replacement seats thread)
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It does bring locality into it, but in our local East Durham villages the call of encouragement for whatever it was used, was always pronounced "HOWEE" as in "howee man gerrah move on" and I can clearly recall in my very early days at Roker Park, hearing the "Hank Williams" type rallying call as always "Howee, Howee, Howee The Lads". now awaiting abuse along the lines of "pit yacker illiterates" etc
 
I always believed that it was a portmanteau of the mining call of "Half Way", similar to the naval calls of "Up Top" and "Below", before entering or exiting a manned hatch area.

Access ladders in pits, before the days of pulley lifts and subsequently, lift shafts were given "Ha'way" calls to let other miners know you were on your way up or down so that you didn't meet anyone travelling in the opposite direction, in the middle.

It was eventually adopted as an "All Clear" or "Come On" call.

Or at least that's what I've always been told by my forebears, many of whom were in the mining industry.
 
Buzzcock said:
Because everything good is invented in Newcastle or don't you watch Look North ?
Great Geordie inventions include such things as Penicillin, the wheel, fellatio, television and the internet. They also built the pyramids and wrote all of the Beatles songs back in the 50's.
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you missed off roads and android boxes.
 
I distinctly remember my granny saying "have a way with you" when she wanted someone to "do it" "make a start" (including of a journey) or "get on with it" etc. Always assumed it was just an abbreviation of that.
 
Buzzcock said:
Because everything good is invented in Newcastle or don't you watch Look North ?
Great Geordie inventions include such things as Penicillin, the wheel, fellatio, television and the internet. They also built the pyramids and wrote all of the Beatles songs back in the 50's.
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And the light bulb
 
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