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Oli Wagkz said:
It hasn’t stopped clear and obvious mistakes. Needs done away with.
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It’s worse than that. It’s actually getting previously correct decisions wrong. Such as the red card for Jones.
beezer said:
The only thing I can think happened tonight is that the VAR ref has quickly looked at the Liverpool forward being ahead of the nearest defender and called it offside without looking at the defender at the bottom of the screen. It’s that bad it can only be human error.

If we’re still having human errors then it’s not working, and not specifically this instance, but there still seems an element of human bias in the var room which is incredibly frustrating too.
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Or something more sinister is afoot
 
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Mowgli said:
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Would be great publicity for bet365 to actually pay out the bet which in the grand scheme of things would cost them very little.

I'm surprised paddy power haven't come out and said they'll pay out all bets on Diaz to score, it's there style.


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Wow, so if this is what happened why couldn't he quickly intervene when he realised what happened?
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Medulla said:
Apparently the issue is that the VAR thought the on field decision was goal, and so confirmed that decision was correct not realising that the on field decision was offside.

Beggars belief the lack of communication that allows that to happen.
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just been reading that. it makes no sense for it to be true. why wouldn't the VAR say something when seeing the game restarting with a free kick at nil nil?

i still think they've fucked up and drawn the lines on the wrong player

it's all recorded anyway isn't it. what's the chances we don't get the audio as they don't want to embarrass themselves further
 
Its whole premise is wrong and isn’t making the game more fair. The goal line technology is perfect because it proves unequivocally that the ball has gone into the goal or not. All the other (VAR) decisions are subjective, yes they have the benefit of watching replays but they’re still making subjective decisions about what they think they see. The number of bizarre penalty decisions we’re seeing, and the offsides where they’re mulling over a finger or a toe and still reaching a subjective decision means that it’s clearly not working.

The whole thing about only using VAR when the officials have made a clear and obvious mistake is completely ignored and every decision is now subject to VAR - to the point where players constantly call for it when a decision goes against them and the referee acquiesces and just says “let’s see what VAR says ”.

Football authorities need to grow some bollocks and professionalise the officials, with better performance management standards which would allow them to be less defensive when they get marginal decisions wrong. How refreshing would it be for a referee to feel comfortable saying “Yes I think I got that wrong but the way the player went down made it look like he was fouled “, knowing that he wasn’t going to be slaughtered for it.
 
Pacific said:
just been reading that. it makes no sense for it to be true. why wouldn't the VAR say something when seeing the game restarting with a free kick at nil nil?

i still think they've fucked up and drawn the lines on the wrong player

it's all recorded anyway isn't it. what's the chances we don't get the audio as they don't want to embarrass themselves further
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Once the game restarts VAR cannot intervene
 
Pacific said:
so they're going to come out and say the 'error' was a misunderstanding that they then couldn't correct because the game had already restarted? comical if true. hope we get the audio
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Yes that’s the narrative they’ve come out with. Whole things a joke, but this really takes the biscuit
 
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So the VAR thought he was saying it was onside and therefore a goal, but he didn't realise the officials had called it offside
 
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zebediah said:
VAR doesn't get things wrong, incompetent officials do.
It's no more VAR's fault than it's the whistles fault when a ref blows it.
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So that renders VAR useless
Medulla said:
Apparently the issue is that the VAR thought the on field decision was goal, and so confirmed that decision was correct not realising that the on field decision was offside.

Beggars belief the lack of communication that allows that to happen.
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That is not acceptable…. Everyone loses their job.
 
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Pacific said:
just been reading that. it makes no sense for it to be true. why wouldn't the VAR say something when seeing the game restarting with a free kick at nil nil?
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The rule is that once the game restarts the VAR can't have any involvement about a past incident. So he said 'check complete' not realising the ref had given offside, and then he wasn't quick enough to see the error and say something. Crazy.
 
Pacific said:
just been reading that. it makes no sense for it to be true. why wouldn't the VAR say something when seeing the game restarting with a free kick at nil nil?

i still think they've fucked up and drawn the lines on the wrong player

it's all recorded anyway isn't it. what's the chances we don't get the audio as they don't want to embarrass themselves further
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They haven't realised what is happening before the free kick was taken which means it can't be rolled back to correct the mistake.

Beyond a joke. Referees who have trained their whole lives to be in the middle of the action making on the spot decisions are now being placed in a truck and asked to operate camera angles and make second hand judgements.

The whole premise of VAR is flawed. An absolute waste of everyone's time.
 
VAR itself isn't bad but the implementation is laughable. They spend 5 minutes looking at a decision to try and make sure they make the correct one but even doing that is getting away from the reason they said they were bringing it in, to stop clear and obvious errors as if they have to analyse that much then obviously it's not a clear and obvious error.

I hate the ultra slow motion replays too, that changes the context and makes it seem like players penalised for handball had all the time in the world to get their hand of the way when often it's happened in an absolute split second.
 
Shambo said:
The rule is that once the game restarts the VAR can't have any involvement about a past incident. So he said 'check complete' not realising the ref had given offside, and then he wasn't quick enough to see the error and say something. Crazy.
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the review they're doing will be that rule gets changed then. damage is done now like. every decision will be scrutinized
 
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