VAR

[Voice of fair play]

For the impact on the game and for fans in the stadium enjoyment I think the small percentage increase in correct decisions isn't worth it.

I would just prefer correct decisions mate.

It’s nothing short of ridiculous the pressure and expectations on refs nowadays.

In the current system it’s asboutely inevitable mistakes will be made and it is clear as day they need further help.

Rather than constant bullshit cliches like ‘homer’ ‘bottler’ even cheat in some cases from some fans.

Maybe just maybe if fans accepted mistakes by refs they would be less need for it, but they clearly don’t!

 

[stephen cartwright]

But what you are doing is taking the rule as black and white and repeating them when in reality, with human instincts involved, things don't work like that.

In a big game no referee is going to see a decision that has been overturned by a large group of other referees watching multiple tvs and replays and decide against them based on what little action he is shown on the tv by the side of the pitch. I don't remember any VAR decisions not being accepted by the on field ref during the world cup.

England v Panama. Numerous offers to review penalties. Onfield ref turned them all down. They are in constant communication with the var officials

I keep saying it but nothing has changed. The onfield ref is the sole arbitrator and if he thinks his decision is correct there is nothing the VAR officials can do

I’ve been consistent on these basic facts but I’m have to explain what about if this happens time and again

Penalties, offsides, red and yellow card misidentified the player responsible

All other decisions are opinions decision, which can be decided by one man only

VAR says it itself. Video ASSISTANT referee

I get accused that I’m ignoring others points. I’m not, the points they are making is not how the var system is being used. Until people accept that, there is nowhere to go

 

[Deleted member 26022]

eh ? was a huge in the world cup , it contributed massively to the tournament being such a success.


OMG , those "small percentages " are what defines a team winning or losing , its here to stay and not a moment too soon.

Who could forget the brazil dive reversed or Germany getting knocked out by South Korea by VAR loved it, it was that game that bought it home to me just how good it was, when the decision was given in south korea's favor and to see mass shock on German faces, i went off celebrating like a mad man possessed it was like delayed decisions in cricket, certainly against aussie, and then its given you are away and happy

 

[AC Mack]

England v Panama. Numerous offers to review penalties. Onfield ref turned them all down. They are in constant communication with the var officials

I keep saying it but nothing has changed. The onfield ref is the sole arbitrator and if he thinks his decision is correct there is nothing the VAR officials can do

I’ve been consistent on these basic facts but I’m have to explain what about if this happens time and again

Penalties, offsides, red and yellow card misidentified the player responsible

All other decisions are opinions decision, which can be decided by one man only

VAR says it itself. Video ASSISTANT referee

I get accused that I’m ignoring others points. I’m not, the points they are making is not how the var system is being used. Until people accept that, there is nowhere to go

There isn't a facepalm big enough.

 

[Fi Lo Beddow]

I would just prefer correct decisions mate.

It’s nothing short of ridiculous the pressure and expectations on refs nowadays.

In the current system it’s asboutely inevitable mistakes will be made and it is clear as day they need further help.

Rather than constant bullshit cliches like ‘homer’ ‘bottler’ even cheat in some cases from some fans.

Maybe just maybe if fans accepted mistakes by refs they would be less need for it, but they clearly don’t!

And do you think the way the system is being used that you have detailed above is the best way? Or would you change it any way?

 

[stephen cartwright]

Just been a perfect instance of spurs scoring 2-0 within 30 seconds var would have seen it disallowed

 

[Voice of fair play]

And do you think the way the system is being used that you have detailed above is the best way? Or would you change it any way?

Obviously it needs improving, but imo people are focussing on the negatives rather than the positives of improved correct decisions.

Tbf I have not got all the answers but I am convinced whichever way it is used it will be better than relying on just the human eye.

With a brand new system things are rarely perfect, but it’s progress, overdue and necessary.

In 20 years time it will back looked back upon how silly it was expecting a human eye to get decisions right in extremely difficult circumstances.

 

[Fi Lo Beddow]

Obviously it needs improving, but imo people are focussing on the negatives rather than the positives of improved correct decisions.

Tbf I have not got all the answers but I am convinced whichever way it is used it will be better than relying on just the human eye.

With a brand new system things are rarely perfect, but it’s progress, overdue and necessary.

In 20 years time it will back looked back upon how silly it was expecting a human eye to get decisions right in extremely difficult circumstances.

It'll depend on your age, I still look back on football and miss the days of giant central defenders and thug midfielders being able to kick lumps out of everyone. Whilst a younger person would probably wonder what the hell was going on.

I feel it's going to be one of those things that will forever be argued. When the back pass law changed I dont remember any negativity towards it but this feels more like something that is going to rumble on boringly forever. As soon as it doesn't work perfectly I'll spout up moaning about it and then it'll reverse a decision correctly and yourself and Carty will be here cheering for it.

 

[Voice of fair play]

It'll depend on your age, I still look back on football and miss the days of giant central defenders and thug midfielders being able to kick lumps out of everyone. Whilst a younger person would probably wonder what the hell was going on.

I feel it's going to be one of those things that will forever be argued. When the back pass law changed I dont remember any negativity towards it but this feels more like something that is going to rumble on boringly forever. As soon as it doesn't work perfectly I'll spout up moaning about it and then it'll reverse a decision correctly and yourself and Carty will be here cheering for it.

Not sure about age I am 46 so not sure whether that counts as old or young

But I don't miss them days of thug defenders and midfielders and which much rather watch Man City and the likes of David Sliva than the likes of Norman Hunter, Billy Bremmer, Tommy Smith or Vinnie Jones.

As for me football is about skill and talent, just my personal pereference appreciate that is not everyone's.

 

[myleftfoot1978]

A Var thread hmmmmm I think I will just read it and see what people’s opinions are

 

[SydneyFan]

Watch a replay of the Schalke equaliser in the Dortmund derby if you think VAR is the answer to everything. Ref makes the right call in real time gets a nod from VAR to stop and take a look again then overturns his correct decision and gives a ridiculously soft penalty. Imagine that going against us v the Mags.

Not sure about age I am 46 so not sure whether that counts as old or young

But I don't miss them days of thug defenders and midfielders and which much rather watch Man City and the likes of David Sliva than the likes of Norman Hunter, Billy Bremmer, Tommy Smith or Vinnie Jones.

As for me football is about skill and talent, just my personal pereference appreciate that is not everyone's.

I'm 47 and can't remember watching Billy Bremner, Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith. You must have an exceptional memory !!!!

 

[WASTID]

I was just about to use the same example

Imagine Johnson's winner in the last min against the mags and having to wait for a replay....moment of joy you'll remember forever well and truly killed.

I know we'll never agree but I hate it Carty lad.

This is one of the reasons I am steadfast against it. Totally takes away from the moment if unbridled joy.

Also, I am prepared to accept that mistakes are just party and parcel of the game.

I also don't like the elitist aspect of these changes to the game. We are down in League 1 of course now, so we aren't deemed as important enough for such things when in reality the money really does matter at the lower levels compared to the PL clubs (who have only themselves to blame if they end up in a financial mess - like ourselves!)

 

[Discopants91]

Surely the most important point is to get the correct and fair decision?



It’s not about either the armchair fans or the people that go.

It’s about just getting the right decision all round, and while there is some issues with VAR.

There is no doubt in my mind you will get more decisions with VAR than without it!

Of course it's about people that go, they're the lifeblood of the entire game.

I get your point but anything that effects the enjoyment of actually being at the match is a massive no for me.

This is one of the reasons I am steadfast against it. Totally takes away from the moment if unbridled joy.

Also, I am prepared to accept that mistakes are just party and parcel of the game.

I also don't like the elitist aspect of these changes to the game. We are down in League 1 of course now, so we aren't deemed as important enough for such things when in reality the money really does matter at the lower levels compared to the PL clubs (who have only themselves to blame if they end up in a financial mess - like ourselves!)

Never usually agree with FIFA but they were totally in the right when they said the beauty of football is having the World Cup final refereed just the same as a Sunday League game.

 

[CEF]

Did not cause chaos whatsoever

It’s a very straightforward system and var does not give a decision. It offers the referee to look again and then he either stays with his live decision, or chooses to change his decision

If people can get through their heads, it all becomes straightforward

Exactly, totally arbitrary. Which is why it has caused absolute chaos every where it has been used.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Exactly, totally arbitrary. Which is why it has caused absolute chaos every where it has been used.

Totally wide of the point

The onfield referee is the sole arbitrator, which is a completely different word and meaning

Chaos. It’s increased correct decision making from 94% to 98%

 

[AC Mack]

Watch a replay of the Schalke equaliser in the Dortmund derby if you think VAR is the answer to everything. Ref makes the right call in real time gets a nod from VAR to stop and take a look again then overturns his correct decision and gives a ridiculously soft penalty. Imagine that going against us v the Mags.

Doesn't matter apparently because it's the ref that gives the decision.

 

[CEF]

Totally wide of the point

The onfield referee is the sole arbitrator, which is a completely different word and meaning

Chaos. It’s increased correct decision making from 94% to 98%

Can be technically correct, in slow motion, "yeh he did touch his shirt", and still cause chaos and controversy while they decide. Total joke what we've seen so far. Not football

eh ? was a huge in the world cup , it contributed massively to the tournament being such a success.


OMG , those "small percentages " are what defines a team winning or losing , its here to stay and not a moment too soon.

Was ridiculous. Players going down looking for decisions from Var, and bullying the ref constantly. Should be the death of VAR

In rugby they go back quite a few phases. It does work if managed properly

Rugby works in phases.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Can be technically correct, in slow motion, "yeh he did touch his shirt", and still cause chaos and controversy while they decide. Total joke what we've seen so far. Not football

So improving decisions being correct from 94% to 98% is chaos?

The video equipment to confirming the ball has crossed the line, has completely removed any chaos in those decisions altogether 100%

 

[CEF]

So improving decisions being correct from 94% to 98% is chaos?

The video equipment to confirming the ball has crossed the line, has completely removed any chaos in those decisions altogether 100%

Yes!

The goal line technology is instant and not video. It works.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Yes!

The goal line technology is instant and not video. It works.

The spurs first goal tonight was proved within 30 seconds as was Liverpool first v Bournemouth

Who knows if those goals could be worth millions come May 2019. Resolved within thirty seconds

100% wrong to 100% correct.