VAR

[stephen cartwright]

But if there's an offside that gets changed by VAR, what if there was a foul the other way in the build up that doesn't get changed?

Not relevant

Var is offsides, penalties, mistaken red or yellow cards

Fouls outside the area are down to the on field officials as they have always been

Balls being deflected out for corners, throws are not what var is used for. Onfield officials as it ever was

 

[AC Mack]

It isnt but that’s your view

It will work for safc in the future, I’ve no doubt. It will also deny safc something but it ups the correct decision rate to 98% and I’m all for it

The drama of a drs decision in cricket is universally accepted and adds to the entertainment in the ground

It's absolute shite if you're talking about drama. The drama at cricket was when the appeal went up to see if the umpire raised his finger. That's gone now.

Fortunately, cricket's much more black and white, subjective and stop start, which helps.

Not relevant

Var is offsides, penalties, mistaken red or yellow cards

Fouls outside the area are down to the on field officials as they have always been

Balls being deflected out for corners, throws are not what var is used for. Onfield officials as it ever was

Thanks for emphasising my point.

 

[Fi Lo Beddow]

But if there's an offside that gets changed by VAR, what if there was a foul the other way in the build up that doesn't get changed?

But you could say that with the goal line technology we have now and that seems to work very well. I'm talking about only using VAR for decisions that are 100% clear cut, so all offsides and all over the line decisions (not just goals).

It's still very flawed (I would prefer none at all but that's not going to be option) but at least will reduce the human error and if technology is there not slow down the game.

 

[stephen cartwright]

It's absolute shite if you're talking about drama. The drama at cricket was when the appeal went up to see if the umpire raised his finger. That's gone now.

Fortunately, cricket's much more black and white, subjective and stop start, which helps.

It isn’t but that’s your view. 2013 the first test v the Aussies, last wicket. Umpire did not give it, england reviewed edge seen, cue wild celebrations

Mooen Ali taking a hat trick to win a test. Last wicket lbw appeal, declined, reviewed, given, wild celebrations

 

[AC Mack]

It isn’t but that’s your view. 2013 the first test v the Aussies, last wicket. Umpire did not give it, england reviewed edge seen, cue wild celebrations

Mooen Ali taking a hat trick to win a test. Last wicket lbw appeal, declined, reviewed, given, wild celebrations

Well done on going back to an exceptional situation five years ago.

But you could say that with the goal line technology we have now and that seems to work very well. I'm talking about only using VAR for decisions that are 100% clear cut, so all offsides and all over the line decisions (not just goals).

It's still very flawed (I would prefer none at all but that's not going to be option) but at least will reduce the human error and if technology is there not slow down the game.

Yep. My only issue with goal line technology was that it would eventually lead to a discussion on it being introduced in other situations.

Lo and behold...

 

[stephen cartwright]

Well done on going back to an exceptional situation five years ago.

Those are two incidents off the top of my head.

There are hundreds more instances

It’s all whataboutery with you

I’ve given clear explanation of its use. It really is an easy system

 

[AC Mack]

Those are two incidents off the top of my head.

There are hundreds more instances

It’s all what about dry with you

I’ve given clear explanation of its use. It really is an easy system,

Nobody doubts the ease of the system. You can't grasp the points people are making to you, unfortunately.

 

[stephen cartwright]

It's absolute shite if you're talking about drama. The drama at cricket was when the appeal went up to see if the umpire raised his finger. That's gone now.

Fortunately, cricket's much more black and white, subjective and stop start, which helps.



Thanks for emphasising my point.

The exact opposite mr whataboutery

The explanation is clear, you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[AC Mack]

The exact opposite mr whataboutery

The explanation is clear, you refuse to acknowledge it.

I'm starting to think you're deliberately missing the point.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Nobody doubts the ease of the system. You can't grasp the points people are making to you, unfortunately.

How many times

Var pens, line decisions offsides and mistaken cards

People ask about fouls in the run up to goals is completely irrelevant as var is not used for those situations

You refuse to accept the reality of that, time and again

I'm starting to think you're deliberately missing the point.

Again

 

[AC Mack]

How many times

Var pens, line decisions offsides and mistaken cards

People ask about fouls in the run up to goals is completely irrelevant as var is not used for those situations

You refuse to accept the reality of that, time and again


Again

Right mate, you don't get it, fair enough. I'm out.

 

[Fi Lo Beddow]

How many times

Var pens, line decisions offsides and mistaken cards

People ask about fouls in the run up to goals is completely irrelevant as var is not used for those situations

You refuse to accept the reality of that, time and again


Again

But what you are doing is taking the rule as black and white and repeating them when in reality, with human instincts involved, things don't work like that.

In a big game no referee is going to see a decision that has been overturned by a large group of other referees watching multiple tvs and replays and decide against them based on what little action he is shown on the tv by the side of the pitch. I don't remember any VAR decisions not being accepted by the on field ref during the world cup.

 

[Voice of fair play]

It's absolute shite if you're talking about drama. The drama at cricket was when the appeal went up to see if the umpire raised his finger. That's gone now.

Fortunately, cricket's much more black and white, subjective and stop start, which helps.



Thanks for emphasising my point.

Cricket has not lost any of its drama, if anything it’s a lot better for it.

To me while of course you have a point, with some of the issues you pointing out.

Without a shadow of doubt imo, you will more decisions right with VAR than without it!

 

[AC Mack]

Cricket has not lost any of its drama, if anything it’s a lot better for it.

To me while of course you have a point, with some of the issues you pointing out.

Without a shadow of doubt imo, you will more decisions right with VAR than without it!

Chaos mate, I said CHAOS

 

[Voice of fair play]

But you could say that with the goal line technology we have now and that seems to work very well. I'm talking about only using VAR for decisions that are 100% clear cut, so all offsides and all over the line decisions (not just goals).

It's still very flawed (I would prefer none at all but that's not going to be option) but at least will reduce the human error and if technology is there not slow down the game.

Yes it has some flaws, but is it better and more trustworthy the current system of just the human eye?

Imo of course it is,

 

[Fi Lo Beddow]

Yes it has some flaws, but is it better and more trustworthy the current system of just the human eye?

Imo of course it is,

For the impact on the game and for fans in the stadium enjoyment I think the small percentage increase in correct decisions isn't worth it.

 

[Deleted member 26022]

My club plays in the third div and purely on the basis of cost it’s never going to be introduced at that level so I couldn’t give a toss about var

You have said it now... so you know what's next, the football league will give it the nod

 

[ontap]

What if Salah had missed but had led to Liverpool still scoring, would that be disallowed, and if so how long from the potential offside can you continue before you're allowed to score? What if the opposing team wins the ball back and begins to attack, and ref gets offside call in his ear?

Far too vague. Caused absolute chaos in the World Cup. Had it for a few cup games last year as well, was a farce.

eh ? was a huge in the world cup , it contributed massively to the tournament being such a success.

For the impact on the game and for fans in the stadium enjoyment I think the small percentage increase in correct decisions isn't worth it.

OMG , those "small percentages " are what defines a team winning or losing , its here to stay and not a moment too soon.

 

[AC Mack]

eh ? was a huge in the world cup , it contributed massively to the tournament being such a success.


OMG , those "small percentages " are what defines a team winning or losing , its here to stay and not a moment too soon.

Apart from the several balls ups.

 

[Deleted member 26022]

It isn’t but that’s your view. 2013 the first test v the Aussies, last wicket. Umpire did not give it, england reviewed edge seen, cue wild celebrations

Mooen Ali taking a hat trick to win a test. Last wicket lbw appeal, declined, reviewed, given, wild celebrations

No doubt come into affect again, with the next ashes.. HAWAY ENGLAND!