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Var not good compendium


redandwhiterob said:
I think the 'consistency' people expect is unachievable. Just out of curiosity how would you achieve the consistency you desire?
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Accountability
Adherence to the laws
Openness to mistakes
Having a bigger pool of VAR trained officials, competent for the job they're doing.
 
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max wartbug said:
Accountability
Adherence to the laws
Openness to mistakes
Having a bigger pool of VAR trained officials, competent for the job they're doing.
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They are accountable. Probably the most accountable people in the game. What do you mean by openness to mistakes? Do you want them to come out and explain when they've messed up? What would that achieve? Its hardly going to placte angry, biased footy fans is it? You can have as many trained var officals as you like but they all may have differing opinions on incidents. Loads of incidents are contenious and no matter how much you try you will never get everyone to agree on everything
 
Flea Market Trader said:
Frost of all I will say I’ve put the word compendium in and have no idea what it means. That being said the purpose of this post which I hope you jolly good folk will participate in is to list the worst VAR mistakes ( corruptions ) that we have seen this season. This might indicate who has benefited most and who has well and truly had their pants pulled down. Here’s 3 to start as they are pretty recent

Mbuemo handball v Forest went to var you know the box sign so it will be given,,,usually and wasnt
Havertz tackle enough said
Motherwell header that wasn’t handball as hands can launch a ball like that.

Over to you lovely folk.
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The Man Utd goal on the weekend was one of the most baffling VAR decisions I've seen. Fully controls it with his arm, directly leads to the goal, how on earth does that not get chalked off?
 
mackinbristol said:
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The Man Utd goal on the weekend was one of the most baffling VAR decisions I've seen. Fully controls it with his arm, directly leads to the goal, how on earth does that not get chalked off?
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To play Devil's Advocate, does it bounce up off his thigh into his arm as he fails to control it? What if this was like when Quinny used to kill the ball on his chest bringing his arms in?

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joop said:
Not seen the still frame pics of the Motherwell header but from one angle it doesn’t look handball but from another angle it does.

I think there is a list published of VAR errors so for anyone who can find and post that, it might be an interesting contribution to the thread.
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It hits his hand for sure as the angles the next day showed it but those angles were Celtic's own video and a media photographer.

The debate is how the ref could see it from the single angle VAR showed him or why his hand was there in the 1st place due to being bumped by the Celtic player after he naturally used his arms to jump. If there had been other video angles that VAR had access to and didn't show ref as they told him I can sure as hell bet they'd have been released by now, unless I've missed it?

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mackinbristol said:
Even if it does come off his thigh first, he's still controlled it with his arm. If it hadn't hit his arm then he'd have completely lost control of the ball.
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But is it accidental given it's bounced up off his thigh and he was just moving his arms with his body movement trying to kill the pace of the ball by sticking his arse out? He probably wanted it to hit him more in the groin so he could smash it in without spinning around. I'm not sure if the Forest defender gets a small touch on the ball changing it's path just before him.

Though don't get me wrong, it's handball all day long as he's gained an advantage from it even if accidental or deliberate.
 
mackinbristol said:
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The Man Utd goal on the weekend was one of the most baffling VAR decisions I've seen. Fully controls it with his arm, directly leads to the goal, how on earth does that not get chalked off?
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VAR did pull it up, the ref checked it on screen and said the goal stood. VAR don't overrule the ref, that was his error.
 
mackinbristol said:
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The Man Utd goal on the weekend was one of the most baffling VAR decisions I've seen. Fully controls it with his arm, directly leads to the goal, how on earth does that not get chalked off?
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Simple answer it was one of the sky top teams
joop said:
Not seen the still frame pics of the Motherwell header but from one angle it doesn’t look handball but from another angle it does.

I think there is a list published of VAR errors so for anyone who can find and post that, it might be an interesting contribution to the thread.
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I have seen the still and it does look that way, but if you see the trajectory and power the ball goes from the player then a hand in the way does not allow this.
 
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Dick Fitzwell said:
Totally agree, if it is used properly then it would be a great help but they seem to have made a right hash of that. Anything that takes over 1 minute to make a decision can't be clear and obvious so just get on with the game.
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Exactly. This idea standing at a screen looking for something that their initial thoughts said wasn’t there.
woodlebert said:
What do you mean by this? It’s an assistant referee, of course it’s a person
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I think the FA have brought more severe punishment of abuse of referees, it has brought in VAR and mistakes still happen. Either the problem is the referees not being good enough or it is media fury when a dodgy decision happens, I suspect it is somewhere in the middle.
hertsmackem said:
does anyone think VAR is good for the game?
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I suspect it was brought in to help the referees, problem is when referees seem to fail upwards and the honest truth is, they aren’t very good and VAR was never going to improve the quality of referees.
 
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