Until we can get frames that run at 10'000 a second so that the millionth of a second can be pinpointed when the microfiber of the players boot touches the plastic molecule of the ball then we shouldn't have offsides at all. We just don't know accurately enough so we should just scrap offsides.
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VAR has ruined top level football.
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Until we can get frames that run at 10'000 a second so that the millionth of a second can be pinpointed when the microfiber of the players boot touches the plastic molecule of the ball then we shouldn't have offsides at all. We just don't know accurately enough so we should just scrap offsides.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Yep as I said I know all about that and the error of margin. However, if the player is still offside in the frame that clearly shows the ball is kicked then he's still offside by a clear distance, even allowing for the wrong pixel being selected to draw the lines. If the lines were closer then aye it may well be debatable but they're not close when you look at the gap near the linesman.
Surely you understand that or like I said do you think Wright was offside then onside then offside again over 3 frames?
It's a necessary evil.
Progress of a sort.
Progress of a sort.
Truly amazing isn't it. These corrupt officials are so inept they don't even know how to be corrupt properly.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Regarding the latter of your 2 points, see my last few posts as Wright was offside to begin with before the ball was kicked and the frame VAR shows him offside and even the frame after the ball is kicked he is still offside. The rule is the 1st contact of the ball and not when it leaves the foot.
Going back to the line width I've copied and updated an old post of mine from a long time ago.
It was changed as this 1st image is how the original offside lines worked. The lines are thicker than they were just to make it easier to see how it worked. There's 4 offside examples with blue line, the attacker kicking left to right and red line is the defender. The old way meant that only the 1st set of lines on the left was onside as the blue line wasn't nearer to the right (the goal). The other 3 used to be offside as the blue line is closer to the right. Simple enough to understand as it's whichever line is nearer the right that is taken and if there was a slight bit of blue (the 2nd one) then it was offside. This caused ructions of course and rightly so given the margin of error.
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Due to the kerfuffle what they did in 2021 was make the lines thicker for both players but also allow the two lines overlap. Initially the lines are thin and the computer make them thicker to give an advantage to the attacker. The computer works it all out. It is now no longer which line is nearest the goal but rather that there now has to be 'daylight' between the 2 lines for it to be offside. It now gives an attacker part of the margin of error and an advantage over the defender but it's clear from this thread alone that some don't even know that this advantage exists. If they meet in the middle and overlap by a gnat's knacker then it's onside.
Using 4 similar examples to the above image, the image below now has the lines are thicker and therefore more chance to overlap. The only offside of the 4 is now is the one on the right as there's a small gap between the lines, whereas before it was only the left one that would be offside as there was no overlapping allowed.
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The TV image isn't of high enough quality to show the gap, especially after someone takes a photo of a TV screen which itself will also modify the original image. I've an example of this using the offside for Coventry and just how much the image is distorted depending on how it it sourced. The problem is that when they show the lines on the TV screen, it's shit quality and from distance so the lines look small and very close. The small image below is the same image as above with the new VAR lines. It's just a lot smaller to replicate the lines on TV. Now you can see just how different it looks on TV as you can't see it as clearly at all. You can barely see the red/blue lines overlapping and by how much and can you see the gap between the 4th one?
People still go on about mm/toenails or the ball leaving the foot but a lot of that frustration is sometime unnecessary as they simply don't know how it works and what the law is.
Eggman
Striker
FatDrummer
Striker
But what actual difference does it make?
Are you seriously arguing that the reason why VAR should be gotten rid of, is because people don’t have patience?…rather than hoping for the correct decision?
WOW!
dangermows
Striker
Yep.
More importantly though, that is proof of VAR actually working as intended, and what people are demanding it does/are saying it currently doesnt do ("it should be umpires call").
The ref gave it. It was soft but there was enough in it to say it wasn't a clear and obvious error.
And thus VAR looked at it, and then didn't ask the ref to have another look.
The VAR lot wanted a Manc derby, so to facilitate it they didn't challenge a soft penalty award that jeopardised it
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FatDrummer
Striker
Nobody looked scared to me.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
This is the Eredivisie example that brought about the Premier League. This is why I see things a little differently when it comes to offside I suppose. I can see how it works and if 2 players haven't really moved that much between frames, like what happened yesterday then the thicker lines and 'daylight' will cover the error of margin anyway.Thanks for that amount of detail.
Interesting stuff
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What also doesn't help is the poor quality images that then get hoyed about on here, Tw@tter and elsewhere as it distorts it even more. For example here is the image I got off iPlayer and you can see the 2 lines are more of an equal width. You can't see the gap between the blue and red lines but it's still not the same quality as VAR see. They mustn't have overlapped as it would have been onside as the computer determines all that crap, not the human looking at the lines.
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However some on Tw@tter are taking photos from there TV screens which then distort the image and more so the lines. The red also 'bleeds' into the blue as the photo itself won't match up pixel for pixel with the screen and red can do this. Look at the difference now for example in this image that someone has taken. This is the bigger image that the tweet below about the line going over Bissaka's foot is from and is now on the Daily Mail. You can see the same radioactive 'glow' around his body and there's even a glow to the left of the blue line and the red line is all over the place
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ftm1971
Striker
The game of football should flow, if you're happy with the way it's going and the game to be stopped for sometimes a few minutes for what can still be a contentious verdict then fair do's, I don't like it, and unless like the goal line technology it happens straight away they can shove it up their back eye.
Super Skyblue
Full Back
I would.
Provider
Striker
They have, you're totally right. VAR takes it one step further though.
Putting lines across the pitch to show that someone's toe is ahead of someone else's is just ridiculous and makes a mockery of a rule that was introduced to stop attacking teams taking the piss to get an advantage.
Have you got any evidence to back up you claim we have snow of the worst officials?
Well. If you’d kicked off on time in 1970 whatever it was then maybe the VAR Gods would have been more favourable
Hendon Mad Frog
Winger
Have you got any evidence that says they aren’t? If you want to refute my point then it should be easy enough for you to prove.
Mackem DJ
Striker
Lol
Two of them going to the World Cup and doing CL knockout games. We’ve had English refs do World Cup and Euros Finals in the last 15yrs. What’s your counter that other countries have better? And which countries?
