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VAR has ruined top level football.


Sporty said:
This is the VAR image of the frame before when the ball is 'touched' but without the thicker VAR red and blue lines. You only have to look at the gap near the linesman compared to his head to get a better perspective of what the gap could have been and it's not 1mm, nor is it a toenail, it's a clear gap.

As I said, it's the thicker VAR lines they've added now for the last 3 seasons after they've pinpointed it is to try to give an advantage to the attacker and close the gap. This makes it look closer but it's done on purpose because if the red and blue thicker lines overlap by a fannies hair then it's onside. Unfortunately for Coventry, he's offside in both frames so in this instance the correct frame doesn't matter anyway.

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Is this a genuine rule?
 
If they're putting computer imagery on the players big toe then it should also be used in conjunction with computer imagery on the ball leaving the foot of the player passing. That still frame does not show the pass actually being made and if they're going to measure to the millimetre then they need to measure to the micro second on the pass.
 
hank williams said:
Correct descion stuff Coventry
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Offside ethos was benefit of doubt goes to attacking side. That has now sadly gone and we’re looking at fingers and toes.

Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about Cov and the “rivalry”. They’ve been brilliant in this cup run and was gutted for them celebrating a deserved winner until it was taken away by a gnat’s chuff.

VAR should be about the stinking decisions, not the millimetres. How would this work? Absolutely no idea, but it lends itself so much better to other sports.
MarcoG said:
If VAR's 'ruined' football then you probably never liked the sport that much anyway.

Ruined it ffs. Grown men don't half go on bairns when it comes to VAR and referees.
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I agree with the referees bit. Look at this place 5:50 every Saturday.

But if people (especially managers) hadn’t fannied on about refs in the first place then VAR wouldn’t have happened.
 
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dangermows said:
People are getting confused again.

Fouls are different to offsides.

If a ref makes a decision and VAR thinks he has got it wrong the ref will be asked to have another look.

With offsides there is no judgement or asking an official to have another look. It will simply look at it, and show if it's on or off.
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It’s cut and dry. Is he in front of the defenders line? Yes by 1cm = offside, no = onside

1cm or 100cm = offside. Should there be an allowance for the attacker, maybe, but that’s a different argument than the one here
 
Edinburgh Black Cat said:
Is this a genuine rule?
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I explained the thicker line rule in this old post and how it was changed and the effect it had. When it 1st came in they used to use those thin lines like the image I just hoyed up but in 2021 it revised. I've mentioned it a few times on here but the majority still don't know it exists or why.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/lee-mason-var.1600798/page-7#post-37796125

The idea came from Eredivisie and it's 5cm for each player. If they overlap by 1mm then it's onside so that could still leave 4.99mm either side or a total of 9.8cm advantage. I'm not sure how big the Premier League lines are but all this kerfuffle about mm/toenails is wasted air given there's this slight advantage given with the thicker lines.

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BIG MAL said:
If they're putting computer imagery on the players big toe then it should also be used in conjunction with computer imagery on the ball leaving the foot of the player passing. That still frame does not show the pass actually being made and if they're going to measure to the millimetre then they need to measure to the micro second on the pass.
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It's when 1st contact with the ball of the pass being attempted, not when it leaves the foot. So in theory a player scooping the ball up and over the defence would be earlier than it leaving his foot.

The 2 images shown today of the initial touch and even the frame after still show a clear offside gap and it's more than just a few mm/toenail. It's simply the fact the Coventry player is way over the other side of the pitch that makes the gap look smaller due to the thicker VAR lines being closer near the players. If it was nearside near the linesman it would look quite different and you only have to look at the image in my last post to get an idea of the gap using the linesman for perspective.

Next season the semi-automated offsides will be using a ball that senses 500 times a second for any touch.

nowtgoodeverhappens said:
Offside ethos was benefit of doubt goes to attacking side. That has now sadly gone and we’re looking at fingers and toes.

Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about Cov and the “rivalry”. They’ve been brilliant in this cup run and was gutted for them celebrating a deserved winner until it was taken away by a gnat’s chuff.

VAR should be about the stinking decisions, not the millimetres. How would this work? Absolutely no idea, but it lends itself so much better to other sports.

I agree with the referees bit. Look at this place 5:50 every Saturday.

But if people (especially managers) hadn’t fannied on about refs in the first place then VAR wouldn’t have happened.
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If the benefit of doubt was given to the attacking side then how did linesman often get offside calls wrong when the attacker was way onside? I'm also guessing you don't know about the thicker VAR lines that give an advantage to the attacker as explained in the link above in this post?
 
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Sporty said:
I explained the thicker line rule in this old post and how it was changed and the effect it had. When it 1st came in they used to use those thin lines like the image I just hoyed up but in 2021 it revised. I've mentioned it a few times on here but the majority still don't know it exists or why.

Lee Mason - VAR

What was wrong with the idea of ‘daylight’ between attacker and last defender? Don’t need a line for that. If there’s a clear gap, you’re off. I agree with this. It means that even small offsides wouldn’t be so bad
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It's when 1st contact with the ball of the pass being attempted, not when it leaves the foot. So in theory a player scooping the ball up and over the defence would be earlier than it leaving his foot.

The 2 images shown today of the initial touch and even the frame after still show a clear offside gap and it's more than just a few mm/toenail. It's simply the fact the Coventry player is way over the other side of the pitch that makes the gap look smaller due to the thicker VAR lines being closer near the players. If it was nearside near the linesman it would look quite different and you only have to look at the image in my last post to get an idea of the gap using the linesman for perspective.

Next season the semi-automated offsides will be using a ball that senses 500 times a second for any touch.


If the benefit of doubt was given to the attacking side then how did linesman often get offside calls wrong when the attacker was way onside? I'm also guessing you don't know about the thicker VAR lines that give an advantage to the attacker as explained in the link above in this post?
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Thanks for the reply, and no I did not. Still doesn’t sit right with me. As for the linesman error, well, it’s always happened. Why do we still have human officials? Matter of time? Not particularly sure that VAR has cleared up everything to be honest.

Yours, the Luddite.
 
nowtgoodeverhappens said:
Thanks for the reply, and no I did not. Still doesn’t sit right with me. As for the linesman error, well, it’s always happened. Why do we still have human officials? Matter of time? Not particularly sure that VAR has cleared up everything to be honest.

Yours, the Luddite.
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The linesman are still there to flag offside for non goals and also help the ref in other ways. The point of the thicker lines is it gives the advantage to the attacker but the main thing is the error of margin is minimal. In the past they could be well onside or well offside, sometimes yards, whereas now it's down to inches either way but it's slightly weighted in the attackers favour. Next season that error of margin will be smaller again and hopefully far more consistent and with the better graphics showing just how close it is.

Some will still bring up the mm/toenail but it has to be one of the other and it's either onside/offside as there's no maybe/maybe not. What they could do is make the advantage in favour of the attacker (with the thicker lines) so that the margin of error is in his favour so any offside given is 100% offside. Any close onsides may not have been onside but at least it means any goals ruled out have no doubt and therefore won't affect as many fans celebrations.
 
Sporty said:
The linesman are still there to flag offside for non goals and also help the ref in other ways. The point of the thicker lines is it gives the advantage to the attacker but the main thing is the error of margin is minimal. In the past they could be well onside or well offside, sometimes yards, whereas now it's down to inches either way but it's slightly weighted in the attackers favour. Next season that error of margin will be smaller again and hopefully far more consistent and with the better graphics showing just how close it is.

Some will still bring up the mm/toenail but it has to be one of the other and it's either onside/offside as there's no maybe/maybe not. What they could do is make the advantage in favour of the attacker (with the thicker lines) so that the margin of error is in his favour so any offside given is 100% offside. Any close onsides may not have been onside but at least it means any goals ruled out have no doubt and therefore won't affect as many fans celebrations.
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I’ll never be comfortable with it mate, sos. Now it’s here to stay I realise they’ve gotta go with the mm, but I’d rather see a percentage of leeway akin to the umpires call in cricket. I’ve never been to a game involving VAR but can imagine how them Cov fans felt today. Don’t celebrate until the replay has been seen? Nee good for us older fans, sos.
 
redandwhiterob said:
I think var is shit marra. If you trawl through threads from years ago myself and plenty of other forecasted these very problems that's happening now. The public has got what the public have wanted. It's out the bag now unfortunately and whether we like it or not it's here to stay
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Spot on.
 
nowtgoodeverhappens said:
I’ll never be comfortable with it mate, sos. Now it’s here to stay I realise they’ve gotta go with the mm, but I’d rather see a percentage of leeway akin to the umpires call in cricket. I’ve never been to a game involving VAR but can imagine how them Cov fans felt today. Don’t celebrate until the replay has been seen? Nee good for us older fans, sos.
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Sadly VAR isn't going away though match day fans still go mad when goals go in as you see the celebrations in all games with VAR. Looking at this clip just after the Coventry players go mental celebrating, I don't think many Coventry fans have just stood there after that goal went in and said "Oooh, could be offside so best wait before I go mental".

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