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University student stabbed

Chatty83 said:
Dont think that's true.

It kicked off because off the cops being incompetent. There plenty of crime, as you said all over but certain ones hit high profile media and then that's when it kicks off.

There was plenty and I mean plenty worse police brutality case in the USA than George Floyd but that one caught the attention and that's why it kicked off.

Same with his one.

And because of the current political climate, that'll continue to happen for any high profile case going forward most likely.
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I’m not sure the usual suspects would have been out if it was the other way around and the guy who was murdered wore the turban and the white guy just insinuated he was a terrorist or something. If the police reacted in the same way Farage would have come out with something like “the police do a difficult job because a lot of these foreigners are up to no good” type of line. Guaranteed. Then the TR lot would not have been out with the wheelie bins.

Mind other sections of the public may well have kicked off who knows.
 

dangermows said:
Do you not find it odd/funny/hypocritical though when you have people, only recently, saying they feel sorry for the police, they have their hands tied and face two tier courts (when fighting with Asians) then suddenly it flips to the police are two tier and a disgrace with this latest incident?

Both were Starmers fault too iirc. He influenced the courts. And also the police. So two tier courts against the two tier police.
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I don't think allegations of two tier in both cases is necessarily inconsistent. Different public authorities could take a two tier approach in 2 different situations including one where the other public authority is involved. But that does NOT mean I agree in either case. My hunch is that the HN situation happened because police culture now seems to put any situation involving alleged racism much higher in priority than it otherwise would be. This led to the murderer automatically being seen as a victim, Henry automatically only being seen only as a perpetrator and liar, with no real on-scene inquiry as to the situation. Maybe the investigation will confirm this, maybe refute it.

But he idea that two tier public authorities are to blame for the 2 Manchester Airport trials angers me. A judge is not responsible for juries. Yusuf implied these non-verdicts were over the assault on the 2 female officers, which there'd been convictions over. Farage was his usual, blaming two tier justice after the first trial. The judge was right to refer him for contempt of court. Yusuf saying the judge will be personally targetted for removal late angers and worries me. Purging the judiciary for political reasons? No, no historical precedent there to worry us, much.
 
Montysavestheday said:
I don't think allegations of two tier in both cases is necessarily inconsistent. Different public authorities could take a two tier approach in 2 different situations including one where the other public authority is involved. But that does NOT mean I agree in either case. My hunch is that the HN situation happened because police culture now seems to put any situation involving alleged racism much higher in priority than it otherwise would be. This led to the murderer automatically being seen as a victim, Henry automatically only being seen only as a perpetrator and liar, with no real on-scene inquiry as to the situation. Maybe the investigation will confirm this, maybe refute it.

But he idea that two tier public authorities are to blame for the 2 Manchester Airport trials angers me. A judge is not responsible for juries. Yusuf implied these non-verdicts were over the assault on the 2 female officers, which there'd been convictions over. Farage was his usual, blaming two tier justice after the first trial. The judge was right to refer him for contempt of court. Yusuf saying the judge will be personally targetted for removal late angers and worries me. Purging the judiciary for political reasons? No, no historical precedent there to worry us, much.
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Bear in mind though that we already have a highly politicized judiciary, just the other way.
 
Montysavestheday said:
I don't think allegations of two tier in both cases is necessarily inconsistent. Different public authorities could take a two tier approach in 2 different situations including one where the other public authority is involved. But that does NOT mean I agree in either case. My hunch is that the HN situation happened because police culture now seems to put any situation involving alleged racism much higher in priority than it otherwise would be. This led to the murderer automatically being seen as a victim, Henry automatically only being seen only as a perpetrator and liar, with no real on-scene inquiry as to the situation. Maybe the investigation will confirm this, maybe refute it.

But he idea that two tier public authorities are to blame for the 2 Manchester Airport trials angers me. A judge is not responsible for juries. Yusuf implied these non-verdicts were over the assault on the 2 female officers, which there'd been convictions over. Farage was his usual, blaming two tier justice after the first trial. The judge was right to refer him for contempt of court. Yusuf saying the judge will be personally targetted for removal late angers and worries me. Purging the judiciary for political reasons? No, no historical precedent there to worry us, much.
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You must see the hypocritical approach from some though. Feel sorry for the police to the police are two tiet. Even in those two examples we've had people flipping from there's never any excuse to fight police to well tbf people are pissed off at the police.

In general though, a balanced, non bias post. Fair play.

And good to see we can agree that Farage and Yusuf continue to deliberately misleading and exploit. I mean you'd just have to read the thing to see convictions/guilty verdicts were given (apparently though it was only two tier on the one incident where a decision couldn't be reached iirc).
 
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PitYacker said:
I’m not sure the usual suspects would have been out if it was the other way around and the guy who was murdered wore the turban and the white guy just insinuated he was a terrorist or something. If the police reacted in the same way Farage would have come out with something like “the police do a difficult job because a lot of these foreigners are up to no good” type of line. Guaranteed. Then the TR lot would not have been out with the wheelie bins.

Mind other sections of the public may well have kicked off who knows.
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I think you can guarantee there would have been protests if it was the other way around.

Before I knew anything about the case and the truth came out, a few people I know where discussing the case in the context of the actual murderer being the victim and how it shows racism being on the rise in the UK. Those same people haven't mentioned it once since the narrative changed.

The far left and far right will use anything to further their cause.
 
Chatty83 said:
I wasn't one to think there actually was 2 tier policing but the last few days it's seems that both the police and some government officials are admitting there was and it needs looking at.
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You don't need any government officials opinion, just use your own eyes.
 
John Steed said:
During that article they refer to Henry as Nowak as in the treatment of Nowak. Isn't referring to someone by their Christian name what normally happens to the perpetrator? I mean nobody calls Jimmy saville Jimmy or Fred west Fred. Calling the innocent victim here Nowak is bloody awful.
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I think you've made a mistake as Nowak is his surname and it's normal to use the surname for all involved like they have in this article, just in the same way they'd use Saville or West as you mention or if they name victims as they use surnames.
 
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dangermows said:
You must see the hypocritical approach from some though. Feel sorry for the police to the police are two tiet. Even in those two examples we've had people flipping from there's never any excuse to fight police to well tbf people are pissed off at the police.
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People like Keir Starmer and Shabana Mahmood fall nicely into this category.
 
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