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University student stabbed


dangermows said:
Ignored what? The parents wishes? The police incompetence? What?

As if Farage gives a shit about the victim. Showed his true colours yesterday and took it from all sides.
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Funny how you reference the parents’ wishes because the sister has been reposting things calling the police two tiered.

You are showing on this thread you don’t care about the victim. You want everyone to go “how sad never mind” and totally ignore it and move on, because the uncomfortable is too difficult for you to compute. Just get Don’t Look Back in Anger on all afternoon 👍🏻
 
dangermows said:
The saddest thing is a politician has purposely whipped things up, ignoring the victims families wishes. Obviously the idiots he has following him lap it up. Even Restore pulled the tit over it.
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I've no interest in what any politicians are trying to gain politically from this. I'm only interested in why the police treat a victim like dog shit while his smiling killer stood unharrased.
 
Safc98 said:
Funny how you reference the parents’ wishes because the sister has been reposting things calling the police two tiered.

You are showing on this thread you don’t care about the victim. You want everyone to go “how sad never mind” and totally ignore it and move on, because the uncomfortable is too difficult for you to compute. Just get Don’t Look Back in Anger on all afternoon 👍🏻
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Except when they ate fighting with Asians and a jury finds them not guilty, having tried to jail them.... then it's poor police, feel sorry for them when they come up against two tier court system. Starmer probably stepped in.

Just admit it, you'll look for any angle to blame "lefties" or Labour. Even it means being a hypocrite. There's plenty more at it you're not alone.

Nope. Like the sensible folk on here I see a tragic case of a lads life being taken, with a lying scum bag deliberately misleading the police.

What I dont do is go off on one and try to make it political or about immigration.

Your DLBIA patter is honking.
 
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Safc98 said:
This is the problem. “People” like Starmer thinj that if it wasn’t for people like Farage and Musk that people would just be apathetic to it all and go about their daily lives as if it didn’t happen. People are very angry and rightly so, regardless of what Musk and Farage say. These feelings are prevalent to begin with. Every time this happens we’re just expected to not get angry and carry on
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Need someone to blame.
 
dangermows said:
Except when they ate fighting with Asians and a jury finds them not guilty, having tried to jail them.... then it's poor police, feel sorry for them when they come up against two tier court system. Starmer probably stepped in.

Just admit it, you'll look for any angle to blame "lefties" or Labour. Even it means being a hypocrite. There's plenty more at it you're not alone.

Nope. Like the sensible folk on here I see a tragic case of a lads life being taken, with a lying scum bag deliberately misleading the police.

What I dont do is go off on one and try to make it political or about immigration.

Your DLBIA patter is honking.
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I actually blame both major parties actually. Given you’ve randomly chucked in a case I’ve never ever commented on either way, no doubt you were all for the George Floyd riots?
 
Safc98 said:
I actually blame both major parties actually. Given you’ve randomly chucked in a case I’ve never ever commented on either way, no doubt you were all for the George Floyd riots?
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I'm never for riots or violence. It's for knuckleheads.

How can you blame any party for an individual stabbing someone and then lying to and misleading the police? The piece of shit even stayed waiting for the police to arrive. But yes that's the norm and definitely political parties and the polices fault....

The police handled it very badly, but I don't pretend there werent factors at play, largely what I've outlined above.
 
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Visiting owl said:
Need someone to blame.
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Yes. Because accepting you, your party and the established elite have proceeded over terrorist attacks and multiple murders by people who hate us all in the name of “diversity” is tough to accept. A failed utopian fallacy and it hurts them. In the same way they accuse people of blaming immigrants for all their failings, they pick a target to blame all their failings on too.
dangermows said:
I'm never for riots or violence. It's for knuckleheads.
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We agree there then
 
dangermows said:
I'm never for riots or violence. It's for knuckleheads.

How can you blame any party for an individual stabbing someone and then lying to and misleading the police? The piece of shit even stayed waiting for the police to arrive. But yes that's the norm and definitely political parties and the polices fault....

The police handled it very badly, but I don't pretend there werent factors at play, largely what I've outlined above.
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No one is blaming politicians for the actions of the murderer and you know, or should do, that's a reductio ad absurdum.

What they are blaming the two parties for is the Home Office ultimately being responsible for policing. Both parties have been in positions of responsibility over education of police officers and the prevailing culture. Both have had oversight of the police approach where racism is alleged in any incident.

Are the accusations accurate? I don't know. But the debate about whether it all contributed to the appalling attitudes and inaction of police that night is a valid debate that needs holding. And the scum like Jenrick, Yusuf and Farage making it a racial discrimination issue is not just dangerous and absurd, it obfuscates and crowds out this debate which DOES need to take place.
 
Montysavestheday said:
No one is blaming politicians for the actions of the murderer and you know, or should do, that's a reductio ad absurdum.

What they are blaming the two parties for is the Home Office ultimately being responsible for policing. Both parties have been in positions of responsibility over education of police officers and the prevailing culture. Both have had oversight of the police approach where racism is alleged in any incident.

Are the accusations accurate? I don't know. But the debate about whether it all contributed to the appalling attitudes and inaction of police that night is a valid debate that needs holding. And the scum like Jenrick, Yusuf and Farage making it a racial discrimination issue is not just dangerous and absurd, it obfuscates and crowds out this debate which DOES need to take place.
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Be wise, stick him on ignore. I have, makes life so much easier.
 
Montysavestheday said:
No one is blaming politicians for the actions of the murderer and you know, or should do, that's a reductio ad absurdum.

What they are blaming the two parties for is the Home Office ultimately being responsible for policing. Both parties have been in positions of responsibility over education of police officers and the prevailing culture. Both have had oversight of the police approach where racism is alleged in any incident.

Are the accusations accurate? I don't know. But the debate about whether it all contributed to the appalling attitudes and inaction of police that night is a valid debate that needs holding. And the scum like Jenrick, Yusuf and Farage making it a racial discrimination issue is not just dangerous and absurd, it obfuscates and crowds out this debate which DOES need to take place.
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Well whilst I wasnt suggesting this was the case a post on this very page is blaming the two main parties for the country inviting in a load of people whovhste us and want to kill us.

Tbf you've provided a balanced post re police approach, where you haven't said you know it was two tiering, more citing a potential.

Do you not find it odd/funny/hypocritical though when you have people, only recently, saying they feel sorry for the police, they have their hands tied and face two tier courts (when fighting with Asians) then suddenly it flips to the police are two tier and a disgrace with this latest incident?

Both were Starmers fault too iirc. He influenced the courts. And also the police. So two tier courts against the two tier police.
 
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John Steed said:
During that article they refer to Henry as Nowak as in the treatment of Nowak. Isn't referring to someone by their Christian name what normally happens to the perpetrator? I mean nobody calls Jimmy saville Jimmy or Fred west Fred. Calling the innocent victim here Nowak is bloody awful.
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Do you think it's because it makes him sound less British?
 
dangermows said:
I'm never for riots or violence. It's for knuckleheads.

How can you blame any party for an individual stabbing someone and then lying to and misleading the police? The piece of shit even stayed waiting for the police to arrive. But yes that's the norm and definitely political parties and the polices fault....

The police handled it very badly, but I don't pretend there werent factors at play, largely what I've outlined above.
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It's my belief that he didn't think the lad would die.

He's stabbed him up, panicked, but didn't think his victim would die, so the family came up with a scenario.

"It'll be our word against his, so if we just hide the git big fuck off sword, say it was a smaller ceremonial dagger, AND SAY HE WAS RACIST, it'll all be okay and you'll get a slap on the wrist"

Obviously I could be completely wrong, but that's my take. Which I further by asking, what's wrong with the state of the country where we've got to a point that the race card is seen by people as a viable reason to excuse stabbing someone... But 'white privilege'.
 
Lil Layne said:
It's my belief that he didn't think the lad would die.

He's stabbed him up, panicked, but didn't think his victim would die, so the family came up with a scenario.

"It'll be our word against his, so if we just hide the git big fuck off sword, say it was a smaller ceremonial dagger, AND SAY HE WAS RACIST, it'll all be okay and you'll get a slap on the wrist"

Obviously I could be completely wrong, but that's my take. Which I further by asking, what's wrong with the state of the country where we've got to a point that the race card is seen by people as a viable reason to excuse stabbing someone... But 'white privilege'.
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You are entitled to your belief but as you say, you could be compleyely wrong. Only the perpetrator and his family will know why they chose to lie/mislead/hang about.

If that is how it was, again, it's just guess work but i will go along with it just for the purpose of your hypothetical scenario, then I'd say yes, to even think the deliberate use of the race card angle will be beneficial when you've just stabbed someone i's wrong. I mean I know, partly, how we got here mind, through plenty examples of racism, with people being treated unfairly because of race.
 
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Chatty83 said:
Dont think that's true.

It kicked off because off the cops being incompetent. There plenty of crime, as you said all over but certain ones hit high profile media and then that's when it kicks off.

There was plenty and I mean plenty worse police brutality case in the USA than George Floyd but that one caught the attention and that's why it kicked off.

Same with his one.

And because of the current political climate, that'll continue to happen for any high profile case going forward most likely.
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I’m not sure the usual suspects would have been out if it was the other way around and the guy who was murdered wore the turban and the white guy just insinuated he was a terrorist or something. If the police reacted in the same way Farage would have come out with something like “the police do a difficult job because a lot of these foreigners are up to no good” type of line. Guaranteed. Then the TR lot would not have been out with the wheelie bins.

Mind other sections of the public may well have kicked off who knows.
 
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