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University student stabbed


Point out their blatant idiocy and the ad-hominem attacks begin -this is the left.

If only we had other examples of white people being dismissed and labelled liars over the crimes of minorities. Like grooming gangs for example. No surprise that those on the left were the ones defending the perpetrators there; making their excuses for these abhorrent crimes and telling everyone to shut up for the sake of diversity. In fact, they continue to do it -it's a dog whistle, you're racist to point it out, it's your algorithms.
They learn nothing.
 
John the Savage said:
Idiotic comment - calm? How on earth you can make a comment like that when the footage shows him writhing in agony on the floor and pleaded with them 9 times for help. These idiots live in an alternative reality, and are best ignored.
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I am quoting another poster. It's an ironic comment on the choice of his words "quite calm".
Please learn to read.
 
Bob Fleming said:
Common being it was brown people who committed them?

Three were Islamic terrorism, one mental case and this one a weapons obsessed arsehole who took offence to the kid saying something to him.
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The common aspect is obsession with racism/fear of racism has perverted or facilitated all these events.

People are annoyed that the Manchester bomber was allowed to murder all those bairns because people were afraid to stop him and be called racist. People are annoyed the police and politicians allowed large scale racist grooming gangs to rape and torture tens of thousands of kids because they didn't want to be called racist.
People are annoyed that a bloke went on a killing spree in a kids' dance class had concerns against him toned down in case it looked racist.
People are annoyed that police handcuffed a dying young lad who was choking on his own blood, just because his murderer suggested he might have been racist.

The response of the Woke to people being annoyed: "you're being racist!"
 
The police need hauling over the coals for the way they handled this, it was an horrific watch and the way they just dismissed his pleas for help are sickening. They literally just didn’t believe him. However Im not sure they did that because of some top down driven anti racist objectives. I’m pretty sure they would treat a young black guy accused of drug dealing with the same disdain, irrespective of any evidence provided. Is it just not a case of very bad policing? I’ve not had much interaction with police myself but got pulled for having my fog lights on once thirty years ago (it was a thing) and the guy literally treated me like a twat. No I’m not trying to say they are the same things obviously before anyone jumps on me, what I’m saying is that there has historically been an attitude of basically treating young people like idiots and criminals within the police first and foremost. I think one of the officers has resigned, I’d hope that is because they are racked with guilt.
 
Stella Spark said:
The common aspect is obsession with racism/fear of racism has perverted or facilitated all these events.

People are annoyed that the Manchester bomber was allowed to murder all those bairns because people were afraid to stop him and be called racist. People are annoyed the police and politicians allowed large scale racist grooming gangs to rape and torture tens of thousands of kids because they didn't want to be called racist.
People are annoyed that a bloke went on a killing spree in a kids' dance class had concerns against him toned down in case it looked racist.
People are annoyed that police handcuffed a dying young lad who was choking on his own blood, just because his murderer suggested he might have been racist.

The response of the Woke to people being annoyed: "you're being racist!"
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Right well this is where we would disagree, perhaps in the cases of grooming gangs and the Manchester bomber those things are true, however in the case of this incident race wasn't not a factor.
John the Savage said:
Point out their blatant idiocy and the ad-hominem attacks begin -this is the left.

If only we had other examples of white people being dismissed and labelled liars over the crimes of minorities. Like grooming gangs for example. No surprise that those on the left were the ones defending the perpetrators there; making their excuses for these abhorrent crimes and telling everyone to shut up for the sake of diversity. In fact, they continue to do it -it's a dog whistle, you're racist to point it out, it's your algorithms.
They learn nothing.
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You seem really attached to that viewpoint, you seem to struggle to notice that there are lot of different view points in the "left" just as there is in the "right" and people form their judgements based on what they read and what they've seen.

The issue with your perspective isn't that it's wrong because some of it is right, it's that you are so attached to it you can't see the grey in it like for example, with this incident race was never an issue, in the case of the grooming gangs it was about race but it was also about social services failing vulnerable young girls because they were considered tearaways who couldn't be helped, and that white paedophiles also target these types of young girls because they're easy to manipulate, no parents there to protect them, meaning there is a lot of factors and not all of them are due to anyone's skin colour.

Do you see what I'm saying?
 
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Stella Spark said:
The common aspect is obsession with racism/fear of racism has perverted or facilitated all these events.

People are annoyed that the Manchester bomber was allowed to murder all those bairns because people were afraid to stop him and be called racist. People are annoyed the police and politicians allowed large scale racist grooming gangs to rape and torture tens of thousands of kids because they didn't want to be called racist.
People are annoyed that a bloke went on a killing spree in a kids' dance class had concerns against him toned down in case it looked racist.
People are annoyed that police handcuffed a dying young lad who was choking on his own blood, just because his murderer suggested he might have been racist.

The response of the Woke to people being annoyed: "you're being racist!"
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While fear of racism played a major part in not stopping the grooming gangs it was only very minor in the other ones and did not lead to the failure to stop them. The others had major failings elsewhere especially Southport. That was down to no one taking any action on him because they didn't think it was their job to. He was clearly violently deranged but because there wasn't a terrorist motive they did nowt.

And henry was arrested because they thought he had committed a crime. They thought HE had assaulted Digwa as well. He was arrested because of the lies of the killer and his family.

You're focussing on the stuff that suits your narrative and ignoring everything else. Like others on here. And Farage and little Tommy.
 
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PitYacker said:
The police need hauling over the coals for the way they handled this, it was an horrific watch and the way they just dismissed his pleas for help are sickening. They literally just didn’t believe him. However Im not sure they did that because of some top down driven anti racist objectives. I’m pretty sure they would treat a young black guy accused of drug dealing with the same disdain, irrespective of any evidence provided. Is it just not a case of very bad policing? I’ve not had much interaction with police myself but got pulled for having my fog lights on once thirty years ago (it was a thing) and the guy literally treated me like a twat. No I’m not trying to say they are the same things obviously before anyone jumps on me, what I’m saying is that there has historically been an attitude of basically treating young people like idiots and criminals within the police first and foremost. I think one of the officers has resigned, I’d hope that is because they are racked with guilt.
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If an innocent black lad had been cuffed after being stabbed and was crying out that he was dying, due to police believing the murderer that he was a drug dealer, there would be marches, riots, mps taking the knee, new laws, police declared institutionally racist.

This current case is more so the obsession with racism and it being the "trump card", rather tham actual racism.

It is an interesting point though, and highlights the obsession with racism.
 
There’s something like 50k knife crimes a year and 200 deaths. Guy in Hartlepool killed his mate with an axe. There was a gang running around Middlesbrough with machetes the other day. Crime is rife. It only kicks off with the usual suspects however when a guy wears a turban.

The amount of sexual abuse in churches over the years it’s a wonder there are any left not burned down by the pitch fork brigade?

Nope it’s easier to blame everything on people that don’t look like you.

Seriously there are scum bags in every race, religion, age bracket, hair colour, whatever just like there are good people. The people who avoid looking close at home tend to be part of the problem. Nearly 50% of those arrested trying to “save our country and children” had a criminal record for domestic abuse. Hmmmmm
 
PitYacker said:
The police need hauling over the coals for the way they handled this, it was an horrific watch and the way they just dismissed his pleas for help are sickening. They literally just didn’t believe him. However Im not sure they did that because of some top down driven anti racist objectives. I’m pretty sure they would treat a young black guy accused of drug dealing with the same disdain, irrespective of any evidence provided. Is it just not a case of very bad policing? I’ve not had much interaction with police myself but got pulled for having my fog lights on once thirty years ago (it was a thing) and the guy literally treated me like a twat. No I’m not trying to say they are the same things obviously before anyone jumps on me, what I’m saying is that there has historically been an attitude of basically treating young people like idiots and criminals within the police first and foremost. I think one of the officers has resigned, I’d hope that is because they are racked with guilt.
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Agreed, piss poor from the cops. Things like that, surely the default is seperate them, check for injuries and then go from there. Just because someone has called it in, doesnt mean that theyre telling the truth regardless of what they look like
 
Crook Mackem said:
Agreed, piss poor from the cops. Things like that, surely the default is seperate them, check for injuries and then go from there. Just because someone has called it in, doesnt mean that theyre telling the truth regardless of what they look like
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Exactly. I’m sure it can’t have been hard to check for a knife wound. They just disregarded him. Shit policing.
 
PitYacker said:
There’s something like 50k knife crimes a year and 200 deaths. Guy in Hartlepool killed his mate with an axe. There was a gang running around Middlesbrough with machetes the other day. Crime is rife. It only kicks off with the usual suspects however when a guy wears a turban.

The amount of sexual abuse in churches over the years it’s a wonder there are any left not burned down by the pitch fork brigade?

Nope it’s easier to blame everything on people that don’t look like you.

Seriously there are scum bags in every race, religion, age bracket, hair colour, whatever just like there are good people. The people who avoid looking close at home tend to be part of the problem. Nearly 50% of those arrested trying to “save our country and children” had a criminal record for domestic abuse. Hmmmmm
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That's irrelevant, because there's a major different circumstance in this case....
PitYacker said:
Exactly. I’m sure it can’t have been hard to check for a knife wound. They just disregarded him. Shit policing.
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.....Which is this. We are all just arguing over the reason for that.
 
JonnotheMackem said:
That's irrelevant, because there's a major different circumstance in this case....

.....Which is this. We are all just arguing over the reason for that.
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What’s the major different circumstance between people getting killed?

I’m pretty certain for every crime the criminal will spout some shit to try and get off with their crime. I’m also pretty confident a lot of black people have instantly assumed to be the perp by the police. Are you trying to say that police always think that crimes are only committed by white people and they believe that people of ethnic minorities are innocent?
 
PitYacker said:
What’s the major different circumstance between people getting killed?

I’m pretty certain for every crime the criminal will spout some shit to try and get off with their crime. I’m also pretty confident a lot of black people have instantly assumed to be the perp by the police. Are you trying to say that police always think that crimes are only committed by white people and they believe that people of ethnic minorities are innocent?
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No.

I've been very clear on this thread - I don't think that the racial aspect of this case is nearly as important as people are making it out to be, the problem is the attitude of the trained officers who completely let Henry Nowak down and made his last moments on this earth terrifying and miserable.

I think there have been so many institutional failures by the police over the last fifteen years or so that they should not be at all surprised that public confidence is rapidly diminishing.
 
JonnotheMackem said:
No.

I've been very clear on this thread - I don't think that the racial aspect of this case is nearly as important as people are making it out to be, the problem is the attitude of the trained officers who completely let Henry Nowak down and made his last moments on this earth terrifying and miserable.

I think there have been so many institutional failures by the police over the last fifteen years or so that they should not be at all surprised that public confidence is rapidly diminishing.
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Well I can agree with you there.

I do however not like seeing farage and his cronies throwing bins at the police turning it into a race thing. Inciting cold hard rage after this whilst after the cousins rape and murder he called for calm. Now that is a race thing pure and simple.
 
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