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Kevin Arnott's right boot said:
Surely, though, their argument is that the two tiers are: non-white = treated leniently and white = treated badly. You or I may not agree with that view, but I'd suggest that their views on the two matters aren't, in themselves, inconsistent.
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There is no two tier policing.

People also aren't treated different based on skin colour
 

squavers said:
They were kneeling in support of BLM, a discredited and widely-criticised organisation who were more anti-white than anti-racism. Their main aim was to create division, the bigger the division the more money they made, and the more money they made the bigger the mansion they could buy.

So we had the PM and deputy PM of a capitalist country showing support for a movement which wanted to abolish capitalism.

We had the police kneeling in support for a movement that wanted to defund the police.

And we had multi-millionaire footballers taking the knee at the start of every single game they played for months on end, to show support for a movement that wanted to destroy the very system (capitalism) that had made them multi-millionaires.

Perhaps it's the people like yourself who can't see the staggering and hilarious irony here who are 'thick as fuck'?
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:lol: Aye when the police were kneeling they were doing it in support of the BLM org that wanted to defund them. And when politicians were doing it they were also supporting the organisation....

Let me guess, you're also one of these knackers who kept booing the knee saying it was supporting the BLM org and movement, even when the players actually came out and said it wasnt and was just a gesture that said no to racism.

You can pretend the knee wasn't taken and used as anti racism stance once it went wider if you wish, but all folk with functioning braincells and those without an agenda clearly understood it wasn't.
 
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Pickle Rick said:
There is no two tier policing.

People also aren't treated different based on skin colour
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The National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) announced it would review the anti-racism guidance, which advises police to treat ethnic minorities differently to get them better outcomes, and which some have blamed for the actions of the officers who arrested Nowak.
 
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Visiting owl said:
The National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) announced it would review the anti-racism guidance, which advises police to treat ethnic minorities differently to get them better outcomes, and which some have blamed for the actions of the officers who arrested Nowak.
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Okay? That guidance is at odds with the reality of operational policing.

It's hot air in an attempt to appease public perception. I stand by the fact there is no two tier policing and people aren't treated differently based on skin colour no matter what 'guidance' says.
 
I laughed at something on the other thread. One of the 'let's play this down as much as possible' mob, said that it was standard practice for the police to handcuff someone who had been accused of assault. That's incase he turned on the police officers as well.
What's Incredibly laughable about that is while they were restraining the dying victim the murderer, potentially still armed, was standing right beside them. Putting them in very serious danger and the kind of danger Henry didn't offer to them.
They'll have turned their backs to the killer because they were worried about an attack from the almost dead victim and they needed to subjugate him. You couldn't make it up it's so f***ing unbelievable.
 
Pickle Rick said:
Okay? That guidance is at odds with the reality of operational policing.

It's hot air in an attempt to appease public perception. I stand by the fact there is no two tier policing and people aren't treated differently based on skin colour no matter what 'guidance' says.
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I'm aware you have more experience with these situations than myself but I don't buy it.

Sorry.
 
Police fighting with Asian blokes.

- Disgraceful. There isn't any excuse to fight police.

Asian perpetrator isn't found guilty (on one of the charges).

- Feel so sorry for the police, must be completely demoralising going up against two tier courts.

- Labour/Starmer are to blame

People fighting with police in Southampton

- You can totally understand it. And they are only throwing a few things n that

Sikh perpetrator is wrongly identified as the victim, after he claimed to be a victim

- Police are a disgrace. Clear two tier policing.

- Labour/Starmer are to blame
 
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Visiting owl said:
I'm aware you have more experience with these situations than myself but I don't buy it.

Sorry.
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Ultimately that's your prerogative mate, and you can have the opinion you have based on what you see and hear which I guess is fine.

I will say though that between this account and my old one (PulseSAFC) I've been extremely vocal in my criticism of UK policing. 5 weeks ago I quit after 11 years in the job because it's fucked as an organisation, I believe it's broken in everything from recruitment to promotion to senior leader decision making which is abhorrently incompetent. So I truly have no skin in the game to try and defend it's actions.

The one thing I will sit and defend is this notion of two tier policing and decision making instincts at incidents based on skin colour. It just does not happen, and I've been to probably thousands of incidents with hundreds of colleague and it's never ever a factor in the decision making model at the time those decisions need making. Which is why I say the guidance is completely at odds with actual policing.

We can absolutely disagree, and I respect your opinion, but I'll happily continue stressing the above fact.
 
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dangermows said:
Police fighting with Asian blokes.

- Disgraceful. There isn't any excuse to fight police.

Asian perpetrator isn't found guilty (on one of the charges).

- Feel so sorry for the police, must be completely demoralising going up against two tier courts.

- Labour/Starmer are to blame

People fighting with police in Southampton

- You can totally understand it. And they are only throwing a few things n that

Sikh perpetrator is wrongly identified as the victim, after he claimed to be a victim

- Police are a disgrace. Clear two tier policing.

- Labour/Starmer are to blame
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two threads wrapped up in one post 👏
 
Pickle Rick said:
Ultimately that's your prerogative mate, and you can have the opinion you have based on what you see and hear which I guess is fine.

I will say though that between this account and my old one (PulseSAFC) I've been extremely vocal in my criticism of UK policing. 5 weeks ago I quit after 11 years in the job because it's fucked as an organisation, I believe it's broken in everything from recruitment to promotion to senior leader decision making which is abhorrent incompetent. So I truly have no skin in the game to try and defend it's actions.

The one thing I will sit and defend is this notion of two tier policing and decision making instincts at incidents based on skin colour. It just does not happen, and I've been to probably thousands of incidents with hundreds of colleague and it's never ever a factor in the decision making model at the time those decisions need making. Which is why I say the guidance is completely at odds with actual policing.

We can absolutely disagree, and I respect your opinion, but I'll happily continue stressing the above fact.
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Good post, and fair enough 👍
 
Visiting owl said:
I'm aware you have more experience with these situations than myself but I don't buy it.

Sorry.
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Well the stats do show black folk are more likely to be stopped and searched for example.
Pickle Rick said:
Ultimately that's your prerogative mate, and you can have the opinion you have based on what you see and hear which I guess is fine.

I will say though that between this account and my old one (PulseSAFC) I've been extremely vocal in my criticism of UK policing. 5 weeks ago I quit after 11 years in the job because it's fucked as an organisation, I believe it's broken in everything from recruitment to promotion to senior leader decision making which is abhorrently incompetent. So I truly have no skin in the game to try and defend it's actions.

The one thing I will sit and defend is this notion of two tier policing and decision making instincts at incidents based on skin colour. It just does not happen, and I've been to probably thousands of incidents with hundreds of colleague and it's never ever a factor in the decision making model at the time those decisions need making. Which is why I say the guidance is completely at odds with actual policing.

We can absolutely disagree, and I respect your opinion, but I'll happily continue stressing the above fact.
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A rare balanced post amongst all the mentalness.
 
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