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University student stabbed

Frijj said:
This is the most left brained thinking I have ever seen man.

A white boy was the victim of a racially motivated killing, and when the police arrived at the scene, their immediate response was to treat the victim as the perpetrator because the victim was the white one.

Yet there you are, making it about right wing politicians you don’t like.
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No, it wasn't.

The police arrived to a mum and 2 sons who had called the police themselves to calmly report a crime and wait for police to arrive. Whether they are white, sikh, muslim etc human nature would be to believe them. It is nothing to do with race, the exact same would have happened had religions been reversed. It is poor policing, it is not racist.

If they had stumbled across an argument between the two and done as you described then you may have a remote case, but that isn't what happened at all.
 

EiffelTower said:
No, it wasn't.

The police arrived to a mum and 2 sons who had called the police themselves to calmly report a crime and wait for police to arrive. Whether they are white, sikh, muslim etc human nature would be to believe them. It is nothing to do with race, the exact same would have happened had religions been reversed. It is poor policing, it is not racist.

If they had stumbled across an argument between the two and done as you described then you may have a remote case, but that isn't what happened at all.
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True but when they turn up and are faced with one side saying he’s been racist and the other side saying I can’t breathe and I’ve been stabbed repeatedly why choose the former as a priority?

Police have a prioritised racism over a murder here, I think that’s unfortunately when race is dragged into this. Whether that’s a policing issue or a public issue of virtue I don’t know.
 
EiffelTower said:
No, it wasn't.

The police arrived to a mum and 2 sons who had called the police themselves to calmly report a crime and wait for police to arrive. Whether they are white, sikh, muslim etc human nature would be to believe them. It is nothing to do with race, the exact same would have happened had religions been reversed. It is poor policing, it is not racist.

If they had stumbled across an argument between the two and done as you described then you may have a remote case, but that isn't what happened at all.
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How can you say race has nothing to do with it when they were called out to what was described to them as a racially motivated attack by Nowak?

The police response was IMO racially profiled. Racist against Nowak. Call it a subconscious bias, because they implicitly believed the non-white “victim” because the alleged perpetrator was white, and as we “know” non-white people can only ever be victims.
 
Grimes said:
True but when they turn up and are faced with one side saying he’s been racist and the other side saying I can’t breathe and I’ve been stabbed repeatedly why choose the former as a priority?

Police have a prioritised racism over a murder here, I think that’s unfortunately when race is dragged into this. Whether that’s a policing issue or a public issue of virtue I don’t know.
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I disagree on the second element, I think it is dreadful policing which is systematic of the type of naive people that are supposedly keeping law and order in the country, who are mainly thick, young, underpaid and undertrained. I don't believe it is racist.
Frijj said:
How can you say race has nothing to do with it when they were called out to what was described to them as a racially motivated attack by Nowak?

The police response was IMO racially profiled. Racist against Nowak. Call it a subconscious bias, because they implicitly believed the non-white “victim” because the alleged perpetrator was white, and as we “know” non-white people can only ever be victims.
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My opinion is that the unconscious bias came from believing the mother and two sons calmly presenting themselves as victims over the white v sikh element.
 
The police acted terribly. The "no you haven't" comment is grim.

The police would have been influenced by the fact that the murderer and his family were there. Rightly or wrongly, at this moment they are claiming to be victims. And the call they received was of the murderer being the victim of a racist attack, a call we now know was a lie. At the time it was probably taken at face value.

I dare say they'll have had experience of detainees feigning injury in a bid to avoid arrest, or even so they can attack police. It happens.

They've got it wrong, very wrong. But is that a result of racism? I'm not so sure.

I don't feel comfortable with the right piling in on this in the manner they are doing. Loads of gonks posting pictures of themselves kneeling. What is their end game?
 
HABA87 said:
The police acted terribly. The "no you haven't" comment is grim.

The police would have been influenced by the fact that the murderer and his family were there. Rightly or wrongly, at this moment they are claiming to be victims. And the call they received was of the murderer being the victim of a racist attack, a call we now know was a lie. At the time it was probably taken at face value.

I dare say they'll have had experience of detainees feigning injury in a bid to avoid arrest, or even so they can attack police. It happens.

They've got it wrong, very wrong. But is that a result of racism? I'm not so sure.

I don't feel comfortable with the right piling in on this in the manner they are doing. Loads of gonks posting pictures of themselves kneeling. What is their end game?
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You had no problem with people kneeling for George Floyd.
 
Super Mario said:
Think about the context, it's late at night they probably think he's pissed, once they see that's not the case they ring an ambulance, would you want th police to ring an ambulance every time some tells them they've been stabbed or can't breathe, because I promise you that happens to them every weekend up and down the country.
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Contrary to what you claimed earlier in the thread, nobody was shouting, and it was quite a calm scene.

Nobody is saying that we should "ring an ambulance every time someone says they have been stabbed or can't breathe", but at the very least they should check - apparently his stab wounds were so bad that no intervention would have saved him. If they were that bad, even a quick look would have proved he had been stabbed, but no. All he got was "I don't think you have, mate."
 
Bob Fleming said:
Farage's words on this are absolute vile. Calling for people to respond with 'Pure cold rage'. He needs to be done for incitement.
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his eagerness to use the death of someone and a grieving family, for his own political gain, is just absolutely sickening, and shows him up (yet again) for who he really is. You would hope for once his big cheerleaders might actually see what he is up to this time
 
this is not going to end well for anyone.

total fuck-up by the police and now farage is demanding people react with 'pure cold rage'

aye, thats going to help isn't it. pure, cold rage against who? the police? sikhs? 'the left' ? anyone who isn't white?

an absolutely abysmal split second judgement from a police officer is going to lead to somewhere very bad for this country
 
tunstallhill said:
this is not going to end well for anyone.

total fuck-up by the police and now farage is demanding people react with 'pure cold rage'

aye, thats going to help isn't it. pure, cold rage against who? the police? sikhs? 'the left' ? anyone who isn't white?

an absolutely abysmal split second judgement from a police officer is going to lead to somewhere very bad for this country
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Will Starmer come out with a strong response to it? He should go in hard on Farage here.
But suspect it will be a weak as piss response.
 
tunstallhill said:
this is not going to end well for anyone.

total fuck-up by the police and now farage is demanding people react with 'pure cold rage'

aye, thats going to help isn't it. pure, cold rage against who? the police? sikhs? 'the left' ? anyone who isn't white?

an absolutely abysmal split second judgement from a police officer is going to lead to somewhere very bad for this country
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And this is why the job they do is so important and collectively they need to do it better. There needs to be real consequences for this.

It's not just this example either - it wasn't that long ago they were collectively calling a lad "the rapist" and it was all just "bants". Look how that ended up.
 
Red said:
Hate comments like this. The first thing you can think of after the loss of a young life is how members of this board are going to react?

RIP to the young lad.
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Totally agree yet every time such threads appear they end up a stoush between reform deplorables and decent people
My posting history will attest to the fact I deplore violence, racism and hate speech
 
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