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Football Dinosaur said:
Yet teams are breaking into the top 5. Look at forest. Promoted recently and look on course for champions league. Villa haven't been in long or the mags. We're as big as them so nothing to prevent us from following them. Facts are our fan base can support premier league football, we're not an Ipswich or Luton.
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I hate to break it to you but Forest are down to 6th now, losing 1-0 and a fairly mixed run in. Loads of teams have good form, but ferw are able to sustain it for a full season, let alone multiple seasons.

We are not as big as Villa and the mags are owned by a petrochemical state.

Fan base has very little impact on success these days, as most of the money comes from TV rights.
 

And being the plaything of an absolute monarch in a country that undergoes a palace coup on average once every 7 years is a completely sustainable and desirable situation.
 
scott934 said:
I guess it depends how you want to define history, in most of our lifetimes we've been peers moreso with WBA, Norwich and Derby. Albeit I wouldn't put Forest in among that group you have.

Tbh though I don't think history matters at all, Wrexham are probably a bigger club than half the Championship as things stand, with their worldwide popularity.
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But surely the aim is to compete amongst those clubs? Over the last couple of decades, most of the ones I mentioned have been up and down as we have (Villa, Leeds, West Ham and Forest, and Everton have basically being doing what we did for four or five years the last time we were in the top flight).

All the clubs I’ve mentioned are seeking to either expand or modernise or both but we don’t seemingly have anything in the pipeline to do the same. And if we want the SoL to be a source of financial revenue, it really does need modernising to meet the wants and needs of modern day markets. And, from a fan’s perspective, also somewhere to be proud of and feeling excited about going to again.
 
CaptainRed said:
I'm 57. In my lifetime our average league position is 25th. We are currently 24th.

What we are now is basically what we've always been in our lifetimes yet for some reason people are getting worked up about it all of a sudden.
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And what if you're 70 or 40?
Worra load of shite.
 
Binxy said:
And what if you're 70 or 40?
Worra load of shite.
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Then it will be similar. Our historic natural position is bottom end of the top tier/top end of the 2nd tier, with a few 3rd tier seasons thrown in for good measure. Think before you type.
 
CaptainRed said:
Then it will be similar. Our historic natural position is bottom end of the top tier/top end of the 2nd tier, with a few 3rd tier seasons thrown in for good measure. Think before you type.
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Wrong our Historic natural position is where we're at over our entire history (hence being our Historic position) and that is 10th most successful league club, 18th in premier league history.

It's you that need to think before you type.
 
pablo casals said:
But KLDs plan is about finding talent, buying it cheap, giving it games and selling it on.

Its not about creating a team that can hold its own at the upper end of the game and make the fans proud.
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isn that how Brighton started their model though, and now theyre sitting in 9th
 
Binxy said:
Wrong our Historic natural position is where we're at over our entire history (hence being our Historic position) and that is 10th most successful league club, 18th in premier league history.

It's you that need to think before you type.
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Mag.
 
CaptainRed said:
I'm 57. In my lifetime our average league position is 25th. We are currently 24th.

What we are now is basically what we've always been in our lifetimes yet for some reason people are getting worked up about it all of a sudden.
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NYMackem said:
I hate to break it to you but Forest are down to 6th now, losing 1-0 and a fairly mixed run in. Loads of teams have good form, but ferw are able to sustain it for a full season, let alone multiple seasons.

We are not as big as Villa and the mags are owned by a petrochemical state.

Fan base has very little impact on success these days, as most of the money comes from TV rights.
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Forest went down to 6th last night your correct but their run in is positive, unless they start thinking like you, in which case they fold the club as they'll never achieve anything.

Fan base has a big effect, if you can utilise the numbers, which we've failed to do effectively. As for how big you think we aren't, says more about your view than anything else.
 
Binxy said:
And what if you're 70 or 40?
Worra load of shite.
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I'm 72 and I've generally thought that we spend our fair share.

We've been quite average with some good buys (Philips, Quinn, Gyan) and some poor (too many to name) but we spent money on them.

The recruitment selection has generally been the problem over the past 20- 30 years 🙄
 
It's not right like - all I want to do is see the club win one poxy bloody trophy in my lifetime - just one! Even the League cup would do man
 
Football Dinosaur said:
Forest went down to 6th last night your correct but their run in is positive, unless they start thinking like you, in which case they fold the club as they'll never achieve anything.

Fan base has a big effect, if you can utilise the numbers, which we've failed to do effectively. As for how big you think we aren't, says more about your view than anything else.
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In your rose tinted world, every club can be challenging for Europe. That is not how elite sporting competitions work. For someone to win everybody else has to lose. For a team to be challenging for Europe they have to be beating all but three other clubs. We are MILES away from competing at that level at present. Even if "the model" works and proper money is spent (big ifs) it will take years to get to that level of success if we're lucky.

Also everyone goes on about our attendance but they count tickets sold, not bums on seats and you can get a kids season ticket for £3 a game. Our ticket prices are fairly low and our corporate options are limited and cheap. 40,000 at a Sunderland match is nowhere near the same money as 40,000 at say a Spurs match. Even if this were not the case, the ticket money is nothing compared to the TV money, of which the Premier league and champions league clubs get multiples more.

Finally, if you think we are a bigger club than Aston Villa, you are living in a fantasy land. They have won the league, several domestic trophies and the European Cup since we last won a top level trophy, and they have been in the top division for most of my life. We have been in the second tier or lower for 60% of the seasons since we won the FA Cup. Villa have been outside the first tier 6 times in the same period. If you are going back 100+ years to prove how "big" a club are, then Blackburn Rovers and Preston North End are also sleeping giants. Except they're not.
 
We get 40k support week in week out and id say that if you checked most championship clubs biggest home attendance it would be when they played us or Leeds. We’ve got a sports car in the garage but we run it on a chain with pedals.
We’ve had the opportunity to push on a few times and each time we’ve bottled it, January being the latest in a long line of transfer window fuck ups. Every pre season is the same, players arrive late with no time to bed in, last minute pound shop purchases.
Expect more of the same with this mizer holding the reigns.
 
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