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Two Bob owners

LRW said:
This ongoing love for Short ('he was let down by the people around him') is just really weird, and always has been.

When Ellis Short took over, we were established in the Premier League. When he left, he had taken the parachute payments and we were in League One.

When Louis-Dreyfus took over, we were still in League One. We're now in the playoff places of the Championship. And still recovering from the damage of Ellis Short.

I don't like or trust Louis-Dreyfus, or frankly any football club owner. I don't like 'the model', I don't like many of the decisions he has made, especially on managers.

But FFS, there is no comparison between what the two of them have done there. It's as if the only criterion against which you judge club owners is how much of their money they waste.
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The people who hate KLD and think he’s the devil yet love Short and his “good intentions” should remember we’ve got KLD because of Ellis Short’s pillaging of this club. That man nearly killed Sunderland AFC.
 

Biglicks said:
Thats all we’ve ever had..
The only one who invested any kind of decent money was Short but put muppets in charge of it.
Never willing to take the next step and change us from the so called sleeping giant to a club that can hold its own. A brief flirt under Reid in my 45 years as a supporter is pathetic.
We’re so used to watching shite we over exaggerate the talents of anyone who shows a glimpse of anything near being any good.
Rigg isn’t going to set the world alight nor Bellingham either. They’re just decent that’s all.
This club deserves better than the penny pinching swindlers we’ve had in the past. It’s a crime that we’ve struggled so badly for the last 50 years.
If by a miracle we triumph in the play offs this owner will shit himself and we’ll be the whipping boys of nxt years premier league.
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It is what it is. The luck hasn't been with us since the days of the Bank of England Team but even then we won nowt. We are a well supported team considering our recent paucity of either big spending or Multi Billionaire owners that can buy ready made international footballers. Ironically that club up the road who seem to have hit the big time were largely responsible for our demise in the late 50s by shopping us to the FA for unlawful payments to players, something they themselves were doing as was everybody else.
 
Tom said:
Short didn’t take us down to league 1, he left us in the championship with no debt. It was the chancers who bought the club & couldn’t afford it.
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Just plain wrong. We were relegated to League One on 21 April 2018. Short sold the club 8 days later. Ellis Short took us to League One. And we were only debt free because he took the £25m parachute payments off us.
 
LRW said:
Just plain wrong. We were relegated to League One on 21 April 2018. Short sold the club 8 days later. Ellis Short took us to League One. And we were only debt free because he took the £25m parachute payments off us.
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Yes your right, I came in after being at a BBQ & had a few cans, my brain wasn’t working as it should have been, come to think of it, it still isn’t😂
 
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Big Bellyingham said:
It’s about being well ran and structured more than hoying endless money at it ( which obviously helps to have some !)
There are teams in the Prem who operate like this and give me hope that one day we can be similar .
Not Mag type money -but enough to organize -recruit and coach well and see where we go.
I’m personally ok with KLD -the model needs a bit more “ flexibility “ as does our spending
Do that and we may continue to progress
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We’ll probably get a better idea of the owner’s ambition in the summer
Thunder Road said:
Football isn't like it used to be. Clubs need to adhere to financial restrictions, and unless you are owned by countries with awful human rights records, you need to be smarter.

We have an owner that is making us sustainable and competing against clubs that have due to parachute payments far bigger budgets.

I like the so called model we have because for once we have a clear plan and it is working. It might not be working as fast as people want/expect but we are improving as a club, on and off the pitch.

Whatever happens in the play offs, this summer is going to be huge for KLD.
If we don't go up we will inevitably lose players but the money we will make has to be used improving our squad.
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Most sensible post so far, couldn’t agree more.
 
Biglicks said:
Thats all we’ve ever had..
The only one who invested any kind of decent money was Short but put muppets in charge of it.
Never willing to take the next step and change us from the so called sleeping giant to a club that can hold its own. A brief flirt under Reid in my 45 years as a supporter is pathetic.
We’re so used to watching shite we over exaggerate the talents of anyone who shows a glimpse of anything near being any good.
Rigg isn’t going to set the world alight nor Bellingham either. They’re just decent that’s all.
This club deserves better than the penny pinching swindlers we’ve had in the past. It’s a crime that we’ve struggled so badly for the last 50 years.
If by a miracle we triumph in the play offs this owner will shit himself and we’ll be the whipping boys of nxt years premier league.
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You don’t know what bad owners are like.
Should have a stint with a few of ours unless you have convicted money launders and drug dealers lurking in the background.
 
StayPuft said:
Weird how you praise short who threw money at it and not KLD who seemingly has a plan and knows how he wants to run a football club, weird that!
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I will give KLD credit football today has different parameters with new rules FFP rules. If you really ask me today I think football finance is a rigged game and close shop at the top of the PL. You can see players want longer contracts if your going to a new PL club they cannot offer that as the new PL club cannot risk it because of all the FFP rules in Championship they might find themselves back in. Sunderland blew it with the greedy pigs that ran Sunderland under Short if you really want to know. It bankrupted us and we have had to start over brick by brick to get to 4th in the Championship today. KLD is not over if we get promoted it’s going to be impossible to stay up but if we bounce back the chances of staying up increase….
 
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LRW said:
Only because Short trousered the £25m parachute payment that was meant to help us stabilise and recover. Do you notice anything about the three teams at the top of the Championship this season and how they have used parachute payments?

And we were two divisions lower than when the useless jug-eared twat arrived.

Unbelievable that people still defend him.
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In the interest of fairness, Short only trousered the parachute money because the parachute money is what the new owners used to buy the club.

Whilst KLD might not be the best of all possible owners, the club is in so much better a position and is run 'better' than I can ever recall. The current model and plan might not be exciting in terms of money being hoyed about, but, Sheffield United have hoyed money about and aren't in any better a position than we are (I'd argue a worse position, as they've spent millions on players who aren't good enough to succeed in the PL).
 
As it currently stands the club has to make gradual improvements. More evolution than revolution. I think that’s the part most unpalatable. The club have to increase revenues in other ways.
On the balance of things KLD regime has made progress but lately the results have been disappointing.
Part of the problem, for a long time has been lack of sustainability. Pretty sure Ellis Short lost an absolute fortune pouring money into the club, without a long term sustainability plan.
The danger also is, billionaires are less common than say, a Stewart Donald style owner.
Probably better focussing on the positives, the fact we’re starting to be in the playoffs more often , should be an indicator of progress albeit slow progress
 
citybythesea said:
As it currently stands the club has to make gradual improvements. More evolution than revolution. I think that’s the part most unpalatable. The club have to increase revenues in other ways.
On the balance of things KLD regime has made progress but lately the results have been disappointing.
Part of the problem, for a long time has been lack of sustainability. Pretty sure Ellis Short lost an absolute fortune pouring money into the club, without a long term sustainability plan.
The danger also is, billionaires are less common than say, a Stewart Donald style owner.
Probably better focussing on the positives, the fact we’re starting to be in the playoffs more often , should be an indicator of progress albeit slow progress
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Tickets going up anually, bcb costs rocketing etc yet still 40,000+ turning up.

People will be expecting a quicker improvement/ambition/attempt at retaining players.
 
SPUFF said:
Tickets going up anually, bcb costs rocketing etc yet still 40,000+ turning up.

People will be expecting a quicker improvement/ambition/attempt at retaining players.
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Not downplaying the cost of tickets as it’s obviously substantial to lots, but I think comparatively the costs of tickets is competitive to other clubs?
 
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