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Tony Mowbray - Boro Supporter View

ERIMUS1876 said:
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
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Can you please explain more about why he left because this has been left out of here. And tbh he does seem a bit like a Parkinson/Grayson type appointment.
 

Just spoke to a couple of mates , ST holders at the riverside. Asked their opinion on TM .
" They wouldn't want him back at the boro, reckon if he comes here , he will steady the ship , but he.s not a long term solution.
I can't see how he would accept a post here as a short term stop gap ?
 
The_Witch said:
I had a look on Boro's forum (Boro Online?) after we beat Middlesbrough 4-1 at home when Mogga was managing them and we had Mick Mac. And to a man they were all saying how shit Mogga was, that he'd never been a tactician and that his team (which back then included the likes of Adomah, Downing, that midfielder they got from the Scum called Jonny summink, that right back Friend they all thought would play for England, so we're not talking cheap here) was poorly coached and looked frightened of their own shadow. And that day they were comprehensively out-thought, out-performed and outmanoeuvred by a bluff Yorkshireman, his mate Terry and a team thrown together pretty much from the bargain bucket.

I too like Mogga. He's an old Ipswich favourite, a decent man with good principles, been through a lot in his life with his wife tragically passing away too young. But to pretend he's Brian Clough is stretching a point.

If you just want unspectacular, risk-free plod that'll take you to 17th by the end of the season, by all means. This is an opportunity, however.
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I genuinely can’t believe there are Sunderland supporters getting on board with this. Despite being sacked by Boro for being shit, their supporters wanting him to be sacked for being shit despite liking him for his time as a player, there are now people thinking this is a really good post and justification for us appointing him despite the fact they’d not have him back in a month of Sundays.

If Eddie Howe is sacked, I’ll get on a Newcastle forum and extol the virtues of Ricky Sbragia and see how far it gets me
 
Shows how far we have fallen as a club that Boro fans come on here and try to patronise the fanbase

Mowbray is clearly popular at Boro cos he’s an ex player and a local lad

That doesn’t apply to us

Only managers that succeed at Sunderland are big personalities and he’s not one of them
 
RightFootLeftFoot said:
He's Jonny on the spot, and if he is appointed in the next day or two at least it shows we've learned the lesson of Mike Dodds, and he may well be fine for what we need this season. But I defy anybody to say they would have swapped Neil for Mowbray a week ago, so it's hard not to feel pissed off at the whole situation. Fingers crossed, he should have the nous to keep us up and then we can take a proper look at the situation next summer.
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Good post.
 
ERIMUS1876 said:
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
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Thanks for the post Daz, good info but Tony isn't for us.
 
Nice read but weren’t people saying the same about Lee Johnson? Granted he never had that promotion to speak of but steady progress year on year, in promotion places early season to collapse towards the business end of the season. Lee Johnson’s 5 seasons at Bristol City were very similar to what Mowbray did at Blackburn.
where both failed is after the steady progress they were both expected to deliver promotion to the Premier League… both failed. So it’s a no from me.
 
PerthBlackcat said:
Nice post… I guess some obvious questions are….

- why did Blackburn let him go if he was doing well?
- unless the aim is mid table security (it probably is) what has he achieved since taking WBA to the Premier League?
- does he fit into the DOF model and would a younger ‘coach’ not fit the bill better?
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We need to appoint someone soon with damage limitation as a driver. This is a longer term project than some seem to think.
 
ERIMUS1876 said:
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
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A manager who'll consolidate our place in the Championship.

After our previous 4 seasons, relegation back to League 1 would be the final straw for most fans, so survival is of the upmost importance.

I just want to see progress this season, enjoy some quality away days, and see where 2022/23 takes us.

Small steps, and all that. He'll get my full support.

I'm looking forward to my trip up to the match on the 5th September. Loads on this forum don't see it as a derby......I do.

And with Mowbray in charge, possibly....that extra edge to the match, that Wycombe, Gillingham or Peterborough away just doesn't have FTM 👍
 
A manager bringing through youth players successfully is definitely what i want.

Im not sure a 42% win ratio including managing celtic and i don't think many premier league games is that impressive to be honest
 
ERIMUS1876 said:
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
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This looks like a well thought out post so I’ll save it for tomorrow. I’m currently building an effigy of Alex Neil to burn in the garden so probably too angry to pay attention.
 
parsonjohn1985 said:
A manager bringing through youth players successfully is definitely what i want.

Im not sure a 42% win ratio including managing celtic and i don't think many premier league games is that impressive to be honest
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42% is a decent win ratio mind. What do you think fergies was at man utd out of interest?
 
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Charmless Man said:
This looks like a well thought out post so I’ll save it for tomorrow. I’m currently building an effigy of Alex Neil to burn in the garden so probably too angry to pay attention.
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It’s a post that warrants only one question: ‘would you have Mowbray back tomorrow?’ If the answer is no (it would be) then it’s disingenuous forum niceties
 
Daydream Believer said:
You've fallen for the illusion caused by a minority of people being prolific in their extreme negativity. The majority have at the very least just stoically accepted it.
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Exactly the position.
My worry is that TM will have no leeway if we lose a couple of games then things will turn bad. Not an appointment any of us really want but I would reluctantly get behind it - for a while.
 
Let’s get this straight. If we employ Mowbray it is t what he achieved yonks ago, fact is he’s a dinosaur, he’s dissed our club but he’s available and a mate of Harvey.
If he signs the form to say he will agree to Speakman doing as he wishes then the jobs his.
If he gets this job we are stepping back three years at least.
This will be a disastrous move for our club,
Ffs a young owner being advised a dinosaur is our best option.
 
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