This is why I’ll never be comfortable with the model

[Balls Ndong]

People will point out after years of Jack Rodwell style signings it’s nice to see us making profits on players. First Stewart now Clarke. 2 out of 3 seasons now we have sold our best player. It might look good on the books and be financially good for the club but is this what you really want Sunderland football club to be? A club that sells its best players to clubs half our size. I was gutted when stewart left and i’m gutted clarke is leaving.

If KLD was owner when kevin phillips was here he would have flogged him after his first good season for profit.

Nice to make profit but better to build a team around our best players and keep them and let fans build connection with the players like quinn and phillips etc.

How well we spend the money i guess will tell us just how good the model is.

16th in the Championship, we don’t get to choose whether to sell them to a higher level. End of thread.

 

[daventry cat]

Rutter from Leeds to Brighton. £40m
Dewsbury Hall to Chelsea. £30m

If you screw your eyes up an squint a bit.... It's almost like the buying club we're happy to pay that amount

Obvs we were beating bids for Clarke off with a shitty stick

Third and top of the league. Two players who are also much better than Clarke

You can't say that man... Not while the naysayers are having their mass cry wank

 

[Deleted member 41188]

Third and top of the league. Two players who are also much better than Clarke

But almost double the price?

I wouldn’t say either are twice as good as Clarke.

We’re having our pants pulled down.

 

[daventry cat]

But almost double the price?

I wouldn’t say either are twice as good as Clarke.

We’re having our pants pulled down.

Who are you to judge?

 

[Banks]

Name one from a bottom half championship club with comparable numbers from last season who has gone for anything like 40 million. It’s fantasy land.

Alex Scott next

 

[Deleted member 41188]

Who are you to judge?

Who are you?

If you don't think cirkin , Ballard , 09 , alese , hume in defence
Clarke , Bellingham , rigg, Neil , Browne , poveda and Roberts are competitive and some of the best in the league then I don't value your opinion at all. I doubt anyone would.

And yet they finished 16th last season.
And we’re losing Clarke who was our best player.
Browne looks decent, jury massively out on Poveda given his career appearance record.

Aye, the best in the league.

 

[Soton Pete]

We can only judge on the info we have though. If fee is significantly higher and more true to his value we can then eat our words, but until that time, Speakman is a chump!

Do you honestly believe that Speakman was the person who agreed the deal? It would have been KLD.

These lot will take first offer.

Demonstrably utter rubbish from you again.

 

[offmenut]

Who are you?


And yet they finished 16th last season.
And we’re losing Clarke who was our best player.
Browne looks decent, jury massively out on Poveda given his career appearance re
Aye, the best in the league.

Perhaps , just perhaps the shit managerial appointment and no striker had something to do with it
Ok , you don't think cirkin Ballard Hume Bellingham and Neil are some of the best in the league.
Most do so I'm suprised
And I'm suprised you don't give a shit that we buy players who haven't reached their ceiling.
Buying players who , all those above , I can see beinh good enough for the prem league has to be an essential way we do transfers.
You don't give a shit if they won't progress and be good enough for that. Seems you just want us to be competitive last season

 

[Deleted member 41188]

Perhaps , just perhaps the shit managerial appointment and no striker had something to do with it
Ok , you don't think cirkin Ballard Hume Bellingham and Neil are some of the best in the league.
Most do so I'm suprised
And I'm suprised you don't give a shit that we buy players who haven't reached their ceiling.
Buying players who , all those above , I can see beinh good enough for the prem league has to be an essential way we do transfers.
You don't give a shit if they won't progress and be good enough for that. Seems you just want us to be competitive last season

I want us to be competitive going forward.

Selling your best player without having an adequate replacement isn’t being competitive.

Same as when we sold Stewart.

 

[offmenut]

I want us to be competitive going forward.

Selling your best player without having an adequate replacement isn’t being competitive.

Same as when we sold Stewart.

We all want to be competitive going forward
That's why we all should give a shit that we buy players who can improve and be good enough for the prem.
And it's why , with a competent manager and a competent striker , two huge components missing last season , we haven't gone backwards

 

[Super Skyblue]

People have been expecting Clarke to be leaving for a full season yet as soon as it looks like it’s happening they lose their shit!

It’s not the model, it’s unbelievable disappointing but that’s what happens to clubs in this division.

This time last year we were in the process of selling not one but two of our standout players in Gyokeres and Hamer, as fans we thought it was the end of the world.
Here we are 12 months down the line and although we took a step back by not making the playoffs I think most Cov fans feel that we now have a far stronger squad and are in a better place to make a playoff challenge.
Selling Jack Clarke doesn’t have to be a negative providing the proceeds of his sale are invested wisely, that is the big challenge.

 

[daventry cat]

Who are you?


And yet they finished 16th last season.
And we’re losing Clarke who was our best player.
Browne looks decent, jury massively out on Poveda given his career appearance record.

Aye, the best in the league.

Chin up there

 

[SAFC 2012]

Just before you laugh too hard, we’re an injury to Cirkin away (not an enormously unlikely event) from a Hjelde Mundle combo down our left flank. This squad finished 16th with Clarke, by far our best player, in it last season.

If that’s not at least a little bit worrying I’m not sure what is

Nah man we only finished 16th cause the managers were shite.

We’re going to push promotion this season supposedly.

The squad is wank. It’s got some real quality in the first 11. Look at the state of the bench for what’s about to step in when people are sold/ injured.

If you don't think cirkin , Ballard , 09 , alese , hume in defence
Clarke , Bellingham , rigg, Neil , Browne , poveda and Roberts are competitive and some of the best in the league then I don't value your opinion at all. I doubt anyone would.

We were shit last year as we had stupid managerial fuck ups.
Sheff wed showed , with a similar team , what the difference a manager makes the two times they played us

I mention league one like its a yard stick?
You don't understand my post , which isn't difficult to understand, as I don't do anything of the sort

And center halfs of Ballard 09 alese , with seelt to come back and we're not going to give up on hjelde and midfield of ekwah Neil rigg Bellingham and browne - these positions aren't a priority at all. Clearly!
A striker is

Oh and to be successful you have to have a team that improves..you can't just get players at the top of the game and get rid when theyre past their best.
If you don't give a shite about that then that's another reason that I won't value your opinion.

Poveda and roberts have a grand total of 0 goals between them in the last season.

Dynamite

 

[Veteran2]

If the club is serious about promotion you hang on to your best player, you definitely don't sell him off on the cheap with just over a week of the transfer window remaining.

Excellent point. We are certainly weaker after selling Clarke on the cheap. Ipswich have an excellent young player for next to nothing in today’s market.

 

[UaeExile]

We can only judge on the info we have though. If fee is significantly higher and more true to his value we can then eat our words, but until that time, Speakman is a chump!

Even if the fee is correct, and they've structure it in the way it's being reported, then it makes perfect business sense.

Spurs are entitled to a percentage of the fee, but they get nothing for the add-ons. So it makes sense to have a lower fee and higher "low bar" add-ons, like one based on appearances.

 

[ksafc77]

Of course we want to get out of this league as soon as possible, but I cant see how it can be done by selling your best players. It is always going to be a struggle, the three relegated clubs have a ridiculous financial advantage, as does Leeds who will still receive a hefty parachute payment. Basically most Championship clubs are battling for a place in the play offs, this season probably 5th and 6th. Dont think with our current squad we are good enough to achieve this, we certainly dont have the strength in depth required for a long season.

There’s nothing you can do when a premier league team wants your best players. You just need to keep rebuilding like Coventry, Leeds, Brentford etc have done. It’s not realistic at all for a championship club to retain all your best players

 

[JERUDONG No.10]

In football you just have to accept you hold a players registration temporarily. I love Clarkey but the fact he is so good means he was always going to go on to better things. The difference is I have confidence we will unearth another gem. Our team is youthful, full of entertainment and exciting. I’d take that over the league 1 shit that we lived with under Donald and Co.

 

[pablo casals]

There’s nothing you can do when a premier league team wants your best players. You just need to keep rebuilding like Coventry, Leeds, Brentford etc have done. It’s not realistic at all for a championship club to retain all your best players

And its not realistic to get out of this league selling your only goal threat.
16th last season, curently a lot weaker.
We may get out of the league but not the way we want

 

[ksafc77]

And its not realistic to get out of this league selling your only goal threat.
16th last season, curently a lot weaker.
We may get out of the league but not the way we want

I mean he’s not our only goal threat. We will sign more players. Wait and see what happens at the end of the window. We aren’t a one man team

 

[Sarcoid Kid]

People will point out after years of Jack Rodwell style signings it’s nice to see us making profits on players. First Stewart now Clarke. 2 out of 3 seasons now we have sold our best player. It might look good on the books and be financially good for the club but is this what you really want Sunderland football club to be? A club that sells its best players to clubs half our size. I was gutted when stewart left and i’m gutted clarke is leaving.

If KLD was owner when kevin phillips was here he would have flogged him after his first good season for profit.

Nice to make profit but better to build a team around our best players and keep them and let fans build connection with the players like quinn and phillips etc.

How well we spend the money i guess will tell us just how good the model is.

What many fail to comprehend is that ownership is also a part of the model, indeed for the French kid, it's probably the main component.
If he grows our stature and the academy keeps producing exciting talent to flog at a profit, imagine the money he will make when he chooses to sell up.
You only have to look at all the millions Ellis Short ploughed in, and which Morecambe & Wise following tried to cash in on, but failed to see why he's treading cautiously and balancing the books.