The ref (see PGMOL thread)

[Baz]

It’s not short of ridiculous people make that assumption without knowing that persons personality

No, it's not.

 

[The Great MES]

The answer is totally simple, a human eye alone is not sufficient tools to do the job to the standard you want, year after year, season after season, different generations of refs show same mistakes been made.

What other conclusion can be made with all the years of evidence?

What's the human eye got to do with what happened to Dan Neil? The ref knew exactly what the consequences would be for the game on Saturday but instead of applying some common sense, went right ahead and sent him off. It was a happy bonus for the ref that it was on the stroke of halftime so he had everyone talking about him.

 

[Voice of fair play]

No I didn't miss that, if that's the best we are going to get, then what is the point of them being professional? They were as good when they were getting a £60 match fee and expenses rather than a £70k basic plus match fees and expenses.

PGMOL has created a closed shop, that is what I am saying is the issue here.

Even when they have been given the technology and ability to review and replay things frame by frame, they are making the same mistakes. So your argument about the human eye isn't 100% valid for all leagues.

It’s certainly not and that’s why have said many times refs should receive plenty of criticism when making mistakes after VAR.

However decisions made in real time are entirely different and errors far more understandable.

What's the human eye got to do with what happened to Dan Neil? The ref knew exactly what the consequences would be for the game on Saturday but instead of applying some common sense, went right ahead and sent him off. It was a happy bonus for the ref that it was on the stroke of halftime so he had everyone talking about him.

I am taking in general with that point in regard to fouls.

And why or why does anybody in any walk of life want people taking about them negatively and having a go at them it makes no sense whatsoever

No, it's not.

Personally I think it’s ridiculous to make a assumption somebody wants to be star of the show based of body language alone farcical in fact.

 

[soapster]

Thats the issue, PGMOL are a closed shop and it is only in the recent light of high profile mistakes that they have started to release audio and have "employees" speak to the media. Referees are still banned from speaking to the media.

It seems people were all for the ref being interviewed after a game and at least in this instance he has been able to put his side of things across, instead we all just sit in the dark and wonder if the report that is given in is provided just to match what they want to to be said (as per currently denied accusations by Mark Halsey).

You must be logged on to see media items

problem is, that the people who will speak to the referees, may be people with their own agenda.

The referees will get stiched up and left out to try

Do you trust the media now. I do not. Mind I do not trust the FA either

It is up to the the referees assoc to step in and sort it out. protect their members, offer better guidance and advice

As said before, refs are human and will and do makes mistakes, as they will always make mistakes.

My complaint is that the refs bosses will try to look good for the media re liverpools complaints but the do nothing at all for anybody else.

Nothing said or mentioned on sky sports news to day. Not mentioned on ref watch this morning. No news about the elbow being retrospectively looked at.

So to the outside other than safc fans, nothing happened

 

[mackem1989]

It’s certainly not and that’s why have said many times refs should receive plenty of criticism when making mistakes after VAR.

However decisions made in real time are entirely different and errors far more understandable.

I am taking in general with that point in regard to fouls

Personally I think it’s ridiculous to make an assumption somebody wants to be star of the show based of body language alone farcical in fact.

some refreees want to make it all about them and are arrogant tossers.

I’ve played football all my life also at a decent level enough to get paid and some of the referees have been a joke some have been brilliant but go nowhere because they are not in the club.

I personally know two referees who have made it to the premier league I also know another one who was head of the referees at a local FA he wasn’t in the clique so didn’t make it.

Corruption is rife in football and that’s something you refuse to see.

 

[makumstu]

It’s certainly not and that’s why have said many times refs should receive plenty of criticism when making mistakes after VAR.

However decisions made in real time are entirely different and errors far more understandable.

I am taking in general with that point in regard to fouls

Which is why PGMOL is a farce, VAR should have been introduced at all levels of the professional game or not introduced at all. They should have pushed for that at the outset.

Don't get me started on the clear and obvious error thing, the biggest clear and obvious error in recent weeks and they couldn't do anything about it all because the game had restarted even though nothing else had happened by the time they realised.

 

[mackem1989]

HUME'S REF REFLECTIONS
Trai Hume has discussed Dan Neil's sending off against Middlesbrough. It's been a tough couple of weeks for referee's, with a series of high-profile erros highlighting the standard of officiating from the top of the game right down to the lower leagues.

COMMUNICATION
“Some referees you can talk to and some referees don’t so they need to find that balance, because we want to talk to them and ask why was that not a foul, why was this given? But some of them don’t speak to you. Obviously you saw that with Dan trying to speak to the ref and he showed him a yellow card and then a red straight after. They just need to find that balance really.”

INCONSISTENCY
“I definitely think (he lost control). The referee didn’t have control of the game from the start. They made a lot of fouls and haven’t got booked and then we make a few fouls and players get booked for our team. They just need to find that balance, they need to find what’s right and what’s wrong and at the minute they just can’t seem to find it.”

NEIL SUSPENDED V STOKE
“Especially in recent weeks I think he’s been one of our best players in the team. His performances have been outstanding all season and losing him in that midfield he has a lot of experience as well. To lose that experience against a good team like them is tough.”

BOUNCE BACK
“It’s tough to take. We obviously came into the game thinking we would get three points, obviously that hasn’t happened but we’ll come back after the international break against Stoke and try to get on a good run of form again.”


Is hume wrong???? I mean he’s a professional playing at a higher level than us

Or is he not to be trusted as he’s a player

Is he telling porkies.

Decisions to be made here.

 

[Voice of fair play]

some refreees want to make it all about them and are arrogant tossers.

I’ve played football all my life also at a decent level enough to get paid and some of the referees have been a joke some have been brilliant but go nowhere because they are not in the club.

I personally know two referees who have made it to the premier league I also know another one who was head of the referees at a local FA he wasn’t in the clique so didn’t make it.

Corruption is rife in football and that’s something you refuse to see.

Like any walk of life in any group of people you will have different personalities, so have no doubt they will be some arrogant tossers who are refs, just like they are arrogant tossers who are footballers and arrogant tossers in offices, building sites etc etc.

I am willing to bet the refs you think are tossers are because you have played in a game with them heard and spoke to them which is fair enough

Not made that assumption but not hearing them speak or just watching on the telly or at a match

 

[Baz]

It’s certainly not and that’s why have said many times refs should receive plenty of criticism when making mistakes after VAR.

However decisions made in real time are entirely different and errors far more understandable.

I am taking in general with that point in regard to fouls.

And why or why does anybody in any walk of life want people taking about them negatively and having a go at them it makes no sense whatsoever

Personally I think it’s ridiculous to make a assumption somebody wants to be star of the show based of body language alone farcical in fact.

Well you are entitled to your opinion, as am I and others on here who feel the same way. I find some of your views farcical, but it is what it is.

 

[mackem1989]

Like any walk of life in any group of people you will have different personalities, so have no doubt they will be some arrogant tossers who are refs, just like they are arrogant tossers who are footballers and arrogant tossers in offices, building sites etc etc.

I am willing to bet the refs you think are tossers are because you have played in a game with them heard and spoke to them which is fair enough

Not made that assumption but not hearing them speak or just watching on the telly or at a match

Yes my opinion comes off the back of many games with said refs and that’s how I’ve made them.

You could see gillet had lost the game and was poor and I hope who ever was marking in that game showed bias

If the ref the assistant and the 4th official has missed the elbow on Ballard then I hope they ban him correctly.

It’s hard to defend the referee on Saturdays game. A mistake is a mistake but he seemed not arsed.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Well you are entitled to your opinion, as am I and others on here who feel the same way. I find some of your views farcical, but it is what it is.

Personally in any walk of life I like to talk to someone or at least hear them speak.

Before judging them or telling them what they are.

Just common sense really

Yes my opinion comes off the back of many games with said refs and that’s how I’ve made them.

You could see gillet had lost the game and was poor and I hope who ever was marking in that game showed bias

If the ref the assistant and the 4th official has missed the elbow on Ballard then I hope they ban him correctly.

It’s hard to defend the referee on Saturdays game. A mistake is a mistake but he seemed not arsed.

Will that’s kind of my point when I played football they were some canny refs and some tossers, but I knew that because I was close to them and heard the way they went on.

Don’t think conclusion of their character can be known of watching them on the telly or at the match.

Think that’s more than a fair point

 

[mackem1989]

Personally in any walk of life I like to talk to someone or at least hear them speak.

Before judging them or telling them what they are.

Just common sense really

Will that’s kind of my point when I played football they were some canny refs and some tossers, but I knew that because I was close to them and heard the way they went on.

Don’t think conclusion of their character can be known of watching them on the telly or at the match.

Think that’s more than a fair point

Have a look at what Hume has said.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Have a look at what Hume has said.

Hway mate you can’t really expect me to take seriously the word of footballers as gospel.

However I would certainly take his words above people on here as at least he was there.

Are you or Hume really saying players are genuinely interested why a previous foul was given or not and want a explanation and if there were given a explanation they would say fair enough a more on?

And not continue to argue?

I don’t believe that for minute

 

[Mowgli]

Rob defends refs for hours then admits he hasn't seen the game or incident. Including var cock ups.

Utterly waste of time, he's a complete arse licker to referees.

Probably picked up a whistle once and thinks he's in the profession

 

[mackem1989]

Hway mate you can’t really expect me to take seriously the word of footballers as gospel.

However I would certainly take his words above people on here as at least he was there.

Are you or Hume really saying players are genuinely interested why a previous foul was given or not and want a explanation and if there were given a explanation they would say fair enough a more on?

And not continue to argue?

I don’t believe that for minute

But your taking the referee words as gospel?

I’m just giving counter balance?

You know footballers lie

I know referees lie?

Also criticising the referee in public is an offence, if Hume is wrong he and the club will be pulled up.

 

[Mowgli]

Have a look at what Hume has said.

Got a link to it?

 

[Voice of fair play]

But your taking the referee words as gospel?

I’m just giving counter balance?

You know footballers lie

I know referees lie?

Also criticising the referee in public is an offence, if Hume is wrong he and the club will be pulled up.

I am not taking anybody’s word I have said from the beginning not sure how anyone can be certain of anything until they know exactly what said which we will probably never know

 

[w73]

Neil didn't get a yellow because Clarke got fouled. He got a yellow for gobbing off about Clarke being fouled.
There's a difference marra.

I think you've misread my post. I was commenting on the constant fouling of Clarke. Clear and obvious. You've failed to comment on the fouling of Clarke. People fouled Clarke and I don't think we got free kicks never mind them receiving yellow cards. Of course there is a difference. Neil commented on bad fouls and got booked for it. The people committing the fouls went unpunished. I'm sure you'll agree the fouling deserved more punishment. I haven't defended Neil, you seem to be ignoring what prompted his booking.

 

[southstander]

I dunno what the answer is really mate, how do you prove it would have changed the result.
It's a tough one

I agree but asking Sunderland to just take it on the chin isn’t a good either. As you say difficult.

 

[Steesafc]

I work in a school down the Boro and 90% of the staff and kids were open to saying the red card was a joke.