The Mags and money...

[naughtynose]

I actually think the mags will be fine this season, Benitez's nous alone will see them alright, he'll get them organised enough. Around 13th for me.

 

[What A Waster]

Christ it's worse than I thought. I haven't really taken notice unless people at work told me stuff. Your situation sounds as poisonous as ours was. God knows where we'd be if the £120 million hadn't been wiped out.

Can't see anything changing MA's "business plan".

I genuinely believe he doesn't care where Newcastle finish or if they won a cup just as long as they are in the top flight advertising SD to a global audience. Next time we are on sky, have a look at the electronic advertising boards with sports direct in foreign languages.

 

[steve30000]

I genuinely believe he doesn't care where Newcastle finish or if they won a cup just as long as they are in the top flight advertising SD to a global audience. Next time we are on sky, have a look at the electronic advertising boards with sports direct in foreign languages.

He's a businessman, and your clerb is an advertisement board.

 

[Cat 3]

There has only ever been one payment made on reducing the debt of £12m 6 or 7 years ago. I believe it was after the Carroll sale. He hasn't taken any other payment on it, and has since then increased it.
Before he arrived the debt was £75m. Now it's around £140m.
All revenue streams have went down under Ashley, the only income that has increased in the 11 years since he's been here is television revenue, which has no part in.

Following relegation in 2009, Barclays took ownership of the ground and training facilities as collateral on the debt owed to them by NUFC, then issued a mortgage on them. A few months later, Ashley paid the mortgage off to regain ownership and settled the debt with the bank, hence the debt doubling after a drop in PL income for one season.
The interest on Ashley's loan is estimated to be £8m per year.
The advertising space in SJP is estimated to be worth £8m per year.
Ashley doesn't charge interest but takes all the advertising space to benefit his other companies, with the PL being shown in 200 countries around the world, Sports Direct enjoys a lot of exposure globally every fortnight, and at least 6 times a season when the big boys come to play here.

Northern Rock were Nufc biggest sponsor until 10 years ago - they went pop. NR and NUFC had a mutually self delusional relationship and NR paid over the odds (and effectively funded the Michael owen deal). Much is made of free advertising - which he should pay maybe £4-5m for but at the same time he could reasonable charge £7m -£8m on his loans in interest.

It's a marriage of convenience for Ashley and having that debt puts off any buyers unless they come up with a huge offer.
The club is costing him nothing other than a load of abuse.

 

[BigPete]

Won the intertoto cup as well mate, got a certificate and everything

Tbh your areet mate majority of your lot on here are helmets just on a wind up so get whacked onto ignore.

Apart from Fishy he's funny must have worn his fingers down to the knuckle by the amount of posts and the length of them on here.

 

[What A Waster]

The problem of a cash injection from him or new owners is what is the return? to break into the Champions League places they need to spend maybe £500 -£700 m. Why would you do that to finish 7th which may get you an extra £5 to £10m a year. You buy a £350m asset spend £500m on it and you maybe have a £500m asset - just does not make sense.

The unpaletable facts for nufc. Once spurs and chelsea finish their stadiums nufc will get the 8th biggest crowds who will be paying less per head. Nufc is in a place footballers are not keen to come to. The corporate sponsors pay less. The brand is not internationally appealing relatively speaking.

NUFC ARE NOT CHAMPIONS LEAGUE CLUB. Just like Man City a £1bn investment could sort that - but the same could be said for many clubs including Us, Villa, Leeds etc.

Football has moved on sadly. 6 teams are competing for the Champions League and 14 are competing for 7th (Ellis short understood this even if he understood little else). The problem with 7th to 20th the clubs are pretty fungible. A few injuries a bad start its a relegation fight. A good start and a hot striker and its the Europa League.

But the point is to at least try to do better than you did before, slow continuous improvement and of you're on the tails of the top 6, if one or two of them have a bad season hope to capitalise on that.
In 2016 Leicester won it, Southampton were 6th, west ham 7th, Liverpool 8th, Chelsea 10th.
2014 Everton finished 5th.
2013 Everton 6th
2012 Newcastle 5th

It can happen, teams change managers or have a bad season. It's never eternal, and even with mega money teams can make mistakes.
Remember when it was a big 3 then a big 4, now its a pack of 6, somebody like Everton are well poised to make that a big 7.
To give up on ever doing anything is sad for all clubs.

 

[Cat 3]

I genuinely believe he doesn't care where Newcastle finish or if they won a cup just as long as they are in the top flight advertising SD to a global audience. Next time we are on sky, have a look at the electronic advertising boards with sports direct in foreign languages.

To be fair you could say the same about 14 other premier league chairman 'as long as they are in the top flight'

 

[What A Waster]

He's a businessman, and your clerb is an advertisement board.

Exactly. Not interested in how the team performs as long as the billboard is on show

 

[Cat 3]

But the point is to at least try to do better than you did before, slow continuous improvement and of you're on the tails of the top 6, if one or two of them have a bad season hope to capitalise on that.
In 2016 Leicester won it, Southampton were 6th, west ham 7th, Liverpool 8th, Chelsea 10th.
2014 Everton finished 5th.
2013 Everton 6th
2012 Newcastle 5th

It can happen, teams change managers or have a bad season. It's never eternal, and even with mega money teams can make mistakes.
Remember when it was a big 3 then a big 4, now its a pack of 6, somebody like Everton are well poised to make that a big 7.
To give up on ever doing anything is sad for all clubs.

They are not well poised. Every player everton sign has been passed over by the big 6. Everton have revenues of £200m all the others are £400- £600m. Everton do not have a CL squad. Elite players dont sign for everton. When they get an elite player - they leave eg Lukaku.

There is no material incremental money in 5th or 6th or 7th - you qualify for Europa League and then player your reserves. Of the teams you mentioned they have all had at least one season since looking over their shoulders with a mini threat of relegation.

I think the problem is football is f****d at the top level. Man United bond prospectus called it the 'polarisation' of revenues. You really need a billion £ investment to break into it a la chelsea and city. MA knows he doesnt have a billion £ to invest so knows hes in a league of 14.

 

[Deleted member 29040]

it costs a lot of money just to stand still in the big league.....spunk your £££ on over priced shysters and paying out managers contracts every year and you'll soon be suckling at the teat of division 3
were in safe hands with "R"afa "T"he "G"reat as long as he's sufficiently backed with the free sky and fan money the owner gets!

 

[Lewberry pie]

Matchday income is fairly stable (the area). Commercial is way down, which probably has more to do with the free SD advertising and the rubbish football.

Those in charge somehow allowed a situation a top 10 earning club (despite the contraction) had the 16th highest wage bill in the PL. It's not a big margin for error. They duly finished 18th that season and lost way more cash going down in the 1st year of a record TV deal.

There isn't a raft of companies wanting to have their logo put up at st James park, only local businesses are even interested, the bigger international companies will want the advertising which can be seen from a tv camera and they are, the only parts which have sports direct on them are the bits that earn very little income.

Think its more that he runs it poorly/doesn't care to try and improve it. Attendances were dropping and goodwill had evaporated before Benitez came along.
The shirts under Puma have been mainly rubbish and not sold well either, the quality is noticeably poorer than the adidas ones and there's been some horrendous designs, although they've improved the last 2 or 3 seasons, if you have crap kits fans don't buy them so its more money lost.

Puma lose the money of poor kit sales not Newcastle, they pay a fee to sell the shirts and their profit is what they sell.

 

[What A Waster]

There isn't a raft of companies wanting to have their logo put up at st James park, only local businesses are even interested, the bigger international companies will want the advertising which can be seen from a tv camera and they are, the only parts which have sports direct on them are the bits that earn very little income.

All the electronic hoardings advertise SD stuff, the only other stuff is what's advertised at all PL grounds as part of them companies being partners of the premier league. They don't sell the space to other companies as Ashley takes it all.

 

[safc_grindon]

They are not well poised. Every player everton sign has been passed over by the big 6. Everton have revenues of £200m all the others are £400- £600m. Everton do not have a CL squad. Elite players dont sign for everton. When they get an elite player - they leave eg Lukaku.

There is no material incremental money in 5th or 6th or 7th - you qualify for Europa League and then player your reserves. Of the teams you mentioned they have all had at least one season since looking over their shoulders with a mini threat of relegation.

I think the problem is football is f****d at the top level. Man United bond prospectus called it the 'polarisation' of revenues. You really need a billion £ investment to break into it a la chelsea and city. MA knows he doesnt have a billion £ to invest so knows hes in a league of 14.

That seems to me to be a reasonable assessment of the situation - unless you have someone prepared to chuck in hundreds of millions - a billion even - then there's only so much you can ascertain. Like finishing tenth.

So I can't help but wonder what it is that both Rafa and Newcastle fans are expecting, especially given that the club seems to be in the red? 20m? 50m? 100m? And where does that get them?

I keep seeing the outcry of fans on social - there's an If Rafa Goes We Go twitter account - and they seem to feel they're really hard done by. But really, are they?

 

[Lewberry pie]

But the point is to at least try to do better than you did before, slow continuous improvement and of you're on the tails of the top 6, if one or two of them have a bad season hope to capitalise on that.
In 2016 Leicester won it, Southampton were 6th, west ham 7th, Liverpool 8th, Chelsea 10th.
2014 Everton finished 5th.
2013 Everton 6th
2012 Newcastle 5th

It can happen, teams change managers or have a bad season. It's never eternal, and even with mega money teams can make mistakes.
Remember when it was a big 3 then a big 4, now its a pack of 6, somebody like Everton are well poised to make that a big 7.
To give up on ever doing anything is sad for all clubs.

It's not giving up to hope your team can do better, it's things like kicking off like entitled little toddlers , mps wasting tax payers money to bring up absolutely nothing, like fair enough if he was siphoning money from the club to himself much like Freddie Sheppard and Douglas hall did, virtually bankrupting the club might I add, but because fans were short sighted they didn't care about that because the team was doing quite well.

 

[What A Waster]

It's not giving up to hope your team can do better, it's things like kicking off like entitled little toddlers , mps wasting tax payers money to bring up absolutely nothing, like fair enough if he was siphoning money from the club to himself much like Freddie Sheppard and Douglas hall did, virtually bankrupting the club might I add, but because fans were short sighted they didn't care about that because the team was doing quite well.

The land behind the gallowgate was bought by Mike Ashley from Newcastle United so he can build student accommodation on it. That rules out any income for the club from that in the future and if somehow we ever had the need to increase capacity then the only way to increase it has now gone

 

[Lewberry pie]

All the electronic hoardings advertise SD stuff, the only other stuff is what's advertised at all PL grounds as part of them companies being partners of the premier league. They don't sell the space to other companies as Ashley takes it all.

Because that's the only advertising that generates any money.

 

[DH1 Mackem JN]

it costs a lot of money just to stand still in the big league.....spunk your £££ on over priced shysters and paying out managers contracts every year and you'll soon be suckling at the teat of division 3
were in safe hands with "R"afa "T"he "G"reat as long as he's sufficiently backed with the free sky and fan money the owner gets!

I was hoping you'd fucked off for good, tedious ****

 

[Lewberry pie]

The land behind the gallowgate was bought by Mike Ashley from Newcastle United so he can build student accommodation on it. That rules out any income for the club from that in the future and if somehow we ever had the need to increase capacity then the only way to increase it has now gone

Did he pay the market value on it? Of he didn't then obviously that's something that should be stopped, it wasn't making any money for the club at this point though I'm guessing?

 

[Mackemed]

I think we all need to give Newcastle a bit more respect. After all they are a huge club, they nearly won the league in 1996, they bid for Wayne Rooney!!

They are the only club in Europe that sell out. They haven't beaten Sunderland for nearly 10 years but who does these days. A truly tremendous club.

 

[Lewberry pie]

Most sane newcastle fans just want investment in certain areas of the team, the thing that pisses us off is that he seems to ignore that and do nothing.his hand only goes into his pocket when he know we are in danger..

We need a striker of quality,,Mitro has had it, Gayle seems to hawked around at the moment , its the dragging of their feet on deals, just get shot of Mitro ffs .

Rafa wanted a French striker but we wouldnt pay the money as the Mitro deal has stalled...its not that we want £50m signings hell forbid, just a few footballers from the middle shelf and not the bottom to steady the ship, most fans will snap ya hand off for same position again.

No they wouldn't, that's the biggest problem with Newcastle fans, they would not snap your hand off for 10th, I do think football is a joke because it is the pinicle for clubs like ours and that makes it pointless, but a lot of other fans can grasp it.

I don't for a second believe there's a single Newcastle fan under the age of 50 who will accept it.