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[the ashes] test 3. Manchester

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Discopants91 said:
Am I missing something about the whole DRS thing?

Why don't they just use every bit of technology available for every decision going?

It was introduced to eliminate daft human errors but if that's the case it has already fucked up royally in this series and a million times before.

What exactly would be the problem with taking it out of the players hands (which it should be anyway, that isn't their job) and just letting the 3 umpires decide important bits for themselves with the aid of technology?
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Because you potentially run the risk of the umpires then just going upstairs each and every time they are unsure. Or if the 3rd umpire can techincally step in any time the umpires on the field fuck up you could end up with no need for on field umpires full stop.

The problem is the review system was brought in to eliminate the absolute howlers. However, teams arent using it that way, and are actually using it with border line calls. Take Swanns wicket last test match, where the umpire gave it not out as he thought it just pitched outside. The England lads quickly got together and you could see Prior was saying "it might be just in line ya know" and Swanns expression told he thought it was a real 50/50 call. Then they reviewed it, the ball had pitched mm's inside the the line and batsman was given out. Technically the decision was eventually the right one, but the fact that the players all knew it was very borderline they should technically have not looked to challenge the onfield call as it was not 'a howler'.
 
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dangermows said:
Because you potentially run the risk of the umpires then just going upstairs each and every time they are unsure. Or if the 3rd umpire can techincally step in any time the umpires on the field fuck up you could end up with no need for on field umpires full stop.

The problem is the review system was brought in to eliminate the absolute howlers. However, teams arent using it that way, and are actually using it with border line calls. Take Swanns wicket last test match, where the umpire gave it not out as he thought it just pitched outside. The England lads quickly got together and you could see Prior was saying "it might be just in line ya know" and Swanns expression told he thought it was a real 50/50 call. Then they reviewed it, the ball had pitched mm's inside the the line and batsman was given out. Technically the decision was eventually the right one, but the fact that the players all knew it was very borderline they should technically have not looked to challenge the onfield call as it was not 'a howler'.
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But what exactly is wrong with that?

I know exactly how the DRS system works and how it should be used effectively but it is not the player's job to do this. What is the point in this technology, which is available to the umpires, just to point out that the decision is wrong in the first place?

If you want to eliminate mistakes using technology then use it all the time or none of the time. I would have no problem with either method. But this half arsed system in place now is just getting sillier every time it is used.
 
dangermows said:
Take Swanns wicket last test match, where the umpire gave it not out as he thought it just pitched outside. The England lads quickly got together and you could see Prior was saying "it might be just in line ya know" and Swanns expression told he thought it was a real 50/50 call. Then they reviewed it, the ball had pitched mm's inside the the line and batsman was given out. Technically the decision was eventually the right one, but the fact that the players all knew it was very borderline they should technically have not looked to challenge the onfield call as it was not 'a howler'.
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But should that not have been given as umpire's call as it was marginal in the same way a ball hitting less than half a stump or not is?
 
Discopants91 said:
But what exactly is wrong with that?

I know exactly how the DRS system works and how it should be used effectively but it is not the player's job to do this. What is the point in this technology, which is available to the umpires, just to point out that the decision is wrong in the first place?

If you want to eliminate mistakes using technology then use it all the time or none of the time. I would have no problem with either method. But this half arsed system in place now is just getting sillier every time it is used.
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So are you suggesting every decision by the umpire is basically reviewed upstairs anyway?

There isnt much wrong with the system itself. I just think some of the 3rd umpires have made poor calls with very good evidence in front of them.

TwasOnTheFifthOfMay said:
But should that not have been given as umpire's call as it was marginal in the same way a ball hitting less than half a stump or not is?
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Good point. However it wasn't. It literally pitched mm's in line.

Anyway, my point was the players knew it was very marginal, so shouldnt have even questioned it (if the system was put in place to over turn 'howlers')
 
Steak Pie said:
Just watching this back, unlucky England I think. Could have easily had 4/5 more wickets today.
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Thought Broad and Bresnan were both very unlucky, they bowled some corkers. The LBW on Smith was as plumb as you could get, no need for DRS for that one surely. Jimmy was probably not at his best but he is due an off day. Day 2 should be very interesting.

4.20 a pint, blimey those are Hong Kong prices. Did they have the Guinness tent set up behind where the new changing rooms have been built? Wasn't cheap in there mind and that was years ago. Also have they had to demolish part of the 'new' stand (2 tier) that was built in the very early 90's, the one opposite the old pavilion or is the new changing area next to it?
 
air asia said:
Thought Broad and Bresnan were both very unlucky, they bowled some corkers. The LBW on Smith was as plumb as you could get, no need for DRS for that one surely. Jimmy was probably not at his best but he is due an off day. Day 2 should be very interesting.

4.20 a pint, blimey those are Hong Kong prices. Did they have the Guinness tent set up behind where the new changing rooms have been built? Wasn't cheap in there mind and that was years ago. Also have they had to demolish part of the 'new' stand (2 tier) that was built in the very early 90's, the one opposite the old pavilion or is the new changing area next to it?
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It's gone.
 
air asia said:
Thought Broad and Bresnan were both very unlucky, they bowled some corkers. The LBW on Smith was as plumb as you could get, no need for DRS for that one surely. Jimmy was probably not at his best but he is due an off day. Day 2 should be very interesting.

4.20 a pint, blimey those are Hong Kong prices. Did they have the Guinness tent set up behind where the new changing rooms have been built? Wasn't cheap in there mind and that was years ago. Also have they had to demolish part of the 'new' stand (2 tier) that was built in the very early 90's, the one opposite the old pavilion or is the new changing area next to it?
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The double-decker F stand has gone.

They turned the square 90 degrees so the old pavilion is behind the bowlers arm, it's now just a members area. The new pavilion and media centre is where F stand used to be and there's double-decker stands either side. The only part of the ground that is still the same since the last Test are A+B stands (in front of the hotel), and even they've had new seats.

The tent is there again, but it's called the 'champagne tent' this year, I didn't get round there yesterday but will today......
 
dangermows said:
So are you suggesting every decision by the umpire is basically reviewed upstairs anyway?

There isnt much wrong with the system itself. I just think some of the 3rd umpires have made poor calls with very good evidence in front of them.
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Yeah, if they aren't 100% certain. I don't see the benefit in some daft little side game the captain's have to play which can totally change a match. Smith was blatantly out for LBW yesterday and everyone knew it, yet he plays on. The Umpires get paid to make decisions, the players get paid to score runs and get wickets.

Like I said, I would prefer it to be be totally the Umpire's decision every time, but when technology proves within seconds someone is out and nothing is done about it then it's a waste of time.
 
Looks like England's batsmen going to have to actually put an innings together under some pressure for first time in series
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
They have already done this a few times, 30/3 at Trent Bridge and Lords...
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They weren't chasing a total as well though, going to need at least 500 to lead going into the second innings now I think. Don't think we're in any danger but both going to have to beat Australia with good cricket as opposed to finish them off after they're done shooting themselves in the foot as has been the case up to now. If much rather watch my team win the game than the other team lose it for themselves though so am enjoying this. First actual test.
 
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Steak Pie said:
The double-decker F stand has gone.

They turned the square 90 degrees so the old pavilion is behind the bowlers arm, it's now just a members area. The new pavilion and media centre is where F stand used to be and there's double-decker stands either side. The only part of the ground that is still the same since the last Test are A+B stands (in front of the hotel), and even they've had new seats.

The tent is there again, but it's called the 'champagne tent' this year, I didn't get round there yesterday but will today......
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I bet getting rid of F stand was a hard one to swallow given it's new-ness. they are probably still paying for it.

I really like what they have done though, it's bold.

I was in B stand for the NZ test in 2008. Too rowdy for me. I hate wankers who go to the tests 'for a laugh.' They should just shut up and watch the game.
 
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Break through! Smith gone for 89, tried to smash Swann and put it straight up in the air, caught by Bairstow.

Warner getting booed on :lol:
 
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