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Test squad v Ireland

Is Stokes is fit enough to be an all rounder is the biggest concern to me. It makes a massive difference to the balance and quality of the team if he is a specialist batsmen at 6 in the order and can't bowl.
 

mackembhoy said:
Nobody ever suggested dropping Root or Stokes

A lot of suggestion was the below baring in mind Crawley has 16/25 innings in England he's scored 17 runs or less so Pope effectively opening anyway.

Duckett
Pope
Root
Brook
Bairstow
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Foakes
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Irony being his average has gotten worse since his breakthrough year, and since Stokes and key have really taken over
 
Just realised this is a 4 day test as well :evil: :evil:

Bbc article on the foakes debate showed that since 2016, cricinfo stats show him as the best wicketkeeper in the world to have played 10 tests or more and that his contributions (guessing catches, stumpings etc) to the team were worth 10 runs an innings more than Bairstow as WK.
Bairstow does have the higher catch rate at 88% to Foakes 81% mind.

So we've got an opener averaging less than 30
A number 3 who averages 16 in his 2nd innings
A number 4 whos batted once in 3 months
A number 5 whos out of nick
A number 6 who is injured, not batted for 6 weeks and potentially cant bowl
A number 7 who scored his best at 5 and is now with the gloves recovering from a broken leg

A reserve batter who averages 33 this season as well

Apart from that, batting lineup looks solid, im sure Cummins and co are very worried
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Is Stokes is fit enough to be an all rounder is the biggest concern to me. It makes a massive difference to the balance and quality of the team if he is a specialist batsmen at 6 in the order and can't bowl.
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No, is the short answer.
 
scotch said:
Just realised this is a 4 day test as well :evil: :evil:

Bbc article on the foakes debate showed that since 2016, cricinfo stats show him as the best wicketkeeper in the world to have played 10 tests or more and that his contributions (guessing catches, stumpings etc) to the team were worth 10 runs an innings more than Bairstow as WK.
Bairstow does have the higher catch rate at 88% to Foakes 81% mind.

So we've got an opener averaging less than 30
A number 3 who averages 16 in his 2nd innings
A number 4 whos batted once in 3 months
A number 5 whos out of nick
A number 6 who is injured, not batted for 6 weeks and potentially cant bowl
A number 7 who scored his best at 5 and is now with the gloves recovering from a broken leg

A reserve batter who averages 33 this season as well

Apart from that, batting lineup looks solid, im sure Cummins and co are very worried
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We’ve just won 10 out of 12 tests with some of the best cricket we have ever played, breaking nearly every record in the process.

And this is the negativity people are posting?

I wish I never signed up! Think I’ll stick to the Durham threads!

Did you not watch England play over the last year?
 
scotch said:
Just realised this is a 4 day test as well :evil: :evil:

Bbc article on the foakes debate showed that since 2016, cricinfo stats show him as the best wicketkeeper in the world to have played 10 tests or more and that his contributions (guessing catches, stumpings etc) to the team were worth 10 runs an innings more than Bairstow as WK.
Bairstow does have the higher catch rate at 88% to Foakes 81% mind.

So we've got an opener averaging less than 30
A number 3 who averages 16 in his 2nd innings
A number 4 whos batted once in 3 months
A number 5 whos out of nick
A number 6 who is injured, not batted for 6 weeks and potentially cant bowl
A number 7 who scored his best at 5 and is now with the gloves recovering from a broken leg

A reserve batter who averages 33 this season as well

Apart from that, batting lineup looks solid, im sure Cummins and co are very worried

No, is the short answer.
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If its definitely a no then i fancy the Aussies quute strongly.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
We’ve just won 10 out of 12 tests with some of the best cricket we have ever played, breaking nearly every record in the process.

And this is the negativity people are posting?

I wish I never signed up! Think I’ll stick to the Durham threads!

Did you not watch England play over the last year?
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Good, every post you've done on this thread has been nothing but complaining about people's opinion.
 
scotch said:
Good, every post you've done on this thread has been nothing but complaining about people's opinion.
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Not at all! As valid as mine. I just don’t get the negativity. That’s the best year of English cricket in the history of our game. I’m assuming your long post was tongue in cheek?
 
smoker said:
Potts England call-up could totally kybosh our promotion push.
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If Robinson is playing the next match you'd hope we have Potts for Gloucs.

Then we don't play again until the 11th June and then the 25th. So hopefully by then we'll know if Potts is even needed for England.

Surely the order of preference is Anderson Robinson Broad Wood Woakes Potts anyway
 
Just had a look at the stats and Bairstow has a better dismissals per innings average than Foakes (2.021 v 1.657) which suggests Bairstow is the better option even before looking at the test batting averages. (37.04 v 32.2) My only concern is whether Bairstow is fully fit.
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wayne entwhistle no9 said:
No but i dont fancy us against Cummins Hazelwood Borland and Green on seaming wickets.
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I agree, with a full choice of bowlers to pick from i was expecting a close series but now the Aussie attack has the more threat regardless of pitch surface (nibble/flat, fast/slow).
mackembhoy said:
If Robinson is playing the next match you'd hope we have Potts for Gloucs.

Then we don't play again until the 11th June and then the 25th. So hopefully by then we'll know if Potts is even needed for England.

Surely the order of preference is Anderson Robinson Broad Wood Woakes Potts anyway
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Broad hasnt looked all that this year tbf, i could see Potts playing the Ashes
HawleyHead said:
Just had a look at the stats and Bairstow has a better dismissals per innings average than Foakes (2.021 v 1.657) which suggests Bairstow is the better option even before looking at the test batting averages. (37.04 v 32.2) My only concern is whether Bairstow is fully fit.
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Catches more, but his record since 2016 with the gloves is not great, his renaissance has come as a specialised batter.
Its not a great message to send out when Foakes has averaged just under 39 and nearly won us the last test through his keeping at batting.
Bairstow had to come back in, but i wouldnt have given him the gloves
 
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Bri said:
Wonder how stokes' knee is doing.

Otherwise, no surprises.

Shame for Foulks, did nothing wrong, but Bairstow is first. That's the way it goes sometimes.

If Brooks doesn't find form then he'll be looking over his shoulder.
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Brook has had one of the best starts in test cricket history he's got massive credit in the bank
 
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