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It's quite cheap and a good project. Short had nothing but good things to say about the place and Charlie could sell sand to the Arabs.

Plus Michael Dell is a very very charitable bloke which may help.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
@Reiver - not doubting your info but any idea what the motivation is for these people? Why Sunderland?
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The current owners have pushed this and Methven is well connected. Red Bull seem to have been genuine contenders and may well have alerted 'Dell'.

As I said, before this broke, SAFC was a fabulous opportunity for serious investors. It already had a stadium and facilities that are good enough to be tarted up and put straight back into the PL. If they've looked at our gates, during our PL era, they'd have no worries about support. If you compare all that with the likes of other 'available' clubs it just doesn't compare. I suppose the answer is 'why not Sunderland'? The support is passionate, home and away, but cause few problems and there's a well established branch set up with supporters spread all over the country.

Most of that is guesswork btw, all I've been told is what I posted previously.
 
I know Manchester City have done some serious development of less desirable areas. I've no idea if that's because they're trying to cement their place as a vital part of the community, or if they just see investment potential in the land they're fixing up. I wonder if there's a similar model to be deployed here with these folks?

If so, then assuming it's not just cynical real estate speculation, the council could probably do with a fire being lit under them by people showing a bit of ambition for the area.
 
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Nelson! said:
I know Manchester City have done some serious development of less desirable areas. I've no idea if that's because they're trying to cement their place as a vital part of the community, or if they just see investment potential in the land their fixing up. I wonder if there's a similar model to be deployed here with these folks?

If so, then assuming it's not just cynical real estate speculation, the council could probably do with a fire being lit under them by people showing a bit of ambition for the area.
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I think it'll be a massive wake up call for quite a few people tbh.
 
Reiver said:
The current owners have pushed this and Methven is well connected. Red Bull seem to have been genuine contenders and may well have alerted 'Dell'.

As I said, before this broke, SAFC was a fabulous opportunity for serious investors. It already had a stadium and facilities that are good enough to be tarted up and put straight back into the PL. If they've looked at our gates, during our PL era, they'd have no worries about support. If you compare all that with the likes of other 'available' clubs it just doesn't compare. I suppose the answer is 'why not Sunderland'? The support is passionate, home and away, but cause few problems and there's a well established branch set up with supporters spread all over the country.

Most of that is guesswork btw, all I've been told is what I posted previously.
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I can understand the Man City and PSG "projects" (basically propaganda vehicles for two oil-rich Middle Eastern countries with shocking human rights records).

I still can't wrap my head around people like Michael Dell and associates wanting to plough serious money into SAFC. I suppose the question I should have asked was not "why Sunderland?" but "why would the likes of Dell want to get involved in owning an English football club"? I doubt they give a fuck about potentially making a £200m profit or whatever by selling the club on at some point. I'd love to know why they're getting involved.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
I can understand the Man City and PSG "projects" (basically propaganda vehicles for two oil-rich Middle Eastern countries with shocking human rights records).

I still can't wrap my head around people like Michael Dell and associates wanting to plough serious money into SAFC. I suppose the question I should have asked was not "why Sunderland?" but "why would the likes of Dell want to get involved in owning an English football club"? I doubt they give a fuck about potentially making a £200m profit or whatever by selling the club on at some point. I'd love to know why they're getting involved.
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I'd just be guessing mate.

I'm expecting they make an announcement when the ink dries.

If they want to engage the supporters they'll need to spell things out clearly and remove the cynicism built up over many years.
 
kildaremackem said:
inctreasing links with the community can mean anything. they arent going to develop other businesses in sunderland for the sake of it, why would they? they aere philantropists but not this..they want a long term growth asset..
are they so good at business that they can see long term growth in other assets associated with safc that ellis short couldnt? and quinn and his property developer mates?
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I very much doubt they are investing to make big returns. No club in the country delivers profit even on the very lowest end of their business scale never mind SAFC. You don't invest in a football club (even if it's a big un like SAFC) as a group of multi billionaires to make meaningful profits on vast fortunes. Its more realistic for them to fund the club until it becomes self sufficient. Managed correctly its very achievable. The interest they make of their fortunes would make any financial returns from SAFC look like chicken feed. What Riv says about this lot looking to create a legacy comes across as the likeliest aim. With that said I don't expect them to throw money at our cause if we don't get the basic financials right.
 
Reiver said:
I'd just be guessing mate.

I'm expecting they make an announcement when the ink dries.

If they want to engage the supporters they'll need to spell things out clearly and remove the cynicism built up over many years.
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I'm sure all will be made clearer once the formailities are completed.
I have no worries about this takeover. I don't know anything more than the next man, but from what I read about Mr Dell and his associates, they're not in this to strip assets or make a quick profit on their investment.
Nor do I think they will simply pump vast sums of money into the club to buy instant success. Much more likely they will provide support for steady progress and build a solid platform first, which is what is needed, given what happened before when Ellis Short spent hundreds of millions.
 
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kildaremackem said:
i have no particualr feelings for the city of sunderland thats true, why would I I support the football team not the area. IVe never been to the area and have no plans to do so unless its for football.
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That implies you don't support the team. To my way of thinking, that's the only fragment of sense contained within your two sentences, on a benign construction. It's equally fair to construe the entire paragraph in a less flattering light. But that's fine. On you go, weaving your warped weft, in furtherance of whatever it is you're aiming to achieve....
WhoDrankAllTheBovril said:
I'm sure all will be made clearer once the formailities are completed.
I have no worries about this takeover. I don't know anything more than the next man, but from what I read about Mr Dell and his associates, they're not in this to strip assets or make a quick profit on their investment.
Nor do I think they will simply pump vast sums of money into the club to buy instant success. Much more likely they will provide support for steady progress and build a solid platform first, which is what is needed, given what happened before when Ellis Short spent hundreds of millions.
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Well articulated, Bovril, la.
 
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Butcher's Coat said:
I have no problem at all Marra.
A genuine question, that nobody seems to know the answer to.
If Donald and Methven were owners, then surely the new owners would have to buy their shares, or a major proportion of them.
So if they are staying on with a minor shareholding, then what did they get in return
Just wondering.
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Why do you wonder? Try wanderer...a long way. Your village is looking for you.
 
Nelson! said:
I know Manchester City have done some serious development of less desirable areas. I've no idea if that's because they're trying to cement their place as a vital part of the community, or if they just see investment potential in the land they're fixing up. I wonder if there's a similar model to be deployed here with these folks?

If so, then assuming it's not just cynical real estate speculation, the council could probably do with a fire being lit under them by people showing a bit of ambition for the area.
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Excellent point, my thoughts as well.

It’d be amazing, especially if Nissan pull out of Sunderland, if Dell set up a manufacturing base here. Imagine if they took over the Nissan plant! :lol: Even a call centre somewhere would be something.
Seriously, though, if these blokes want to invest in Sunderland and give our council a kick up the arse, it’d be a dream come true.
 
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Smartie said:
If all this comes off, I hope NUFC fans get to experience how I’ve felt about their good fortune since 1992. They’ve completely reinvented their own status. Before the John Hall era, they were getting crappy crowds. And their glorious history was slightly less glorious than ours. Since then, they’ve seen themselves as somehow superior. They’re not. They never were. I hope we get to a point where we can put them in their place. Obviously, that’s a long way off but you never know, with new very, very rich owners. Maybe, just maybe, we might. Here’s hoping
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None of this should bother you at all. Rid yourself of your bad dreams and be sensible about how our club benefits rather than how it does not benefit NUFC. It does not concern NUFC. It is about us. Don’t give them a second thought.
T_Bone said:
It has never mattered what those feckwits were doing up the road. I was working in scumsville when they had Keegan and Cole and we had Buxton and 17k crowds. I took them all on verbally and found that their real fans left me alone only the plastic wankers would start on me and they were easy prey.
Back then I was proud to be a S.A.F.C. fan, very proud. I still am.
You are right though about them seing themselves as superior to us they always have. Their attitude feckin stinks. We’ve put them in their place before and we will do it again. We will get promoted this season. They will be fighting relegation all season
Chances are we will be in the same league next season and we will have a momentum they don’t have. We have new investors in it for the long run. They will go from bad to worse, sacking cushion face and demanding Ashley leaves.
But aye, like I said, it doesn’t matter what those feckwits are doing (🤥)
Enjoy this weekend and the rest of our season.
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I think we have greater ambition than to be better than NUFC.Why so many bothered how our future is comparable with any other club!
 
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Morse said:
Excellent point, my thoughts as well.

It’d be amazing, especially if Nissan pull out of Sunderland, if Dell set up a manufacturing base here. Imagine if they took over the Nissan plant! :lol: Even a call centre somewhere would be something.
Seriously, though, if these blokes want to invest in Sunderland and give our council a kick up the arse, it’d be a dream come true.
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We might end up with a city like the one on the matrix:)
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
MSD Partners are not the buying vehicle. The principals are doing this as individuals (whether via a new LLP or whatever remains to be seen) precisely because they want this to be a long term project without the need to provide regular returns for investing clients. Part of this will involve increasing the club's involvement with the community. They understand that the relationship between club and city is essentially symbiotic.
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Where did this come from mate?
 
kildaremackem said:
inctreasing links with the community can mean anything. they arent going to develop other businesses in sunderland for the sake of it, why would they? they aere philantropists but not this..they want a long term growth asset..
are they so good at business that they can see long term growth in other assets associated with safc that ellis short couldnt? and quinn and his property developer mates?
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You have no idea or clue about anything the potential new investors want or will do, so stop guessing at what they might or might not do
 
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