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T20 World Cup 2024


MustardAndOnions said:
Good batsman, decent keeper, poor captain.
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Great batsman, decent keeper, poor captain.

Good batsman doesn’t do justice to Buttler as white ball player
Parkside said:
Morgan had installed a firm belief and winning mentality in his team and that ethos was carried forward into the immediate period after his retirement and before the rudderless malaise of the Buttler/Mott axiom crept in. The positive qualities which Morgan created has long gone unfortunately.
If you're crediting Buttler/Mott with that 2022 IT 20 win why has that leadership degenerated into the current mess?They were abmysal appointments.
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Tbf I think you have been proved right as results have born out.

Both have turned out to be bad appointments, Mott been particularly bad and surprised he was appointed in the first place.

Buttler has been bad as well, but tbf to that appointment at the time, it was the natural appointment and all agreed with it, particularly Morgan who may have had an influence and was massively behind Buttler.

So hindsight a wonderful thing but think all would have appointed Buttler at that time
Not sure if you been critical of the powers of be appointing Buttler as captain?

If you are think that very unfair as think everybody would have done that at the time?
 
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Beating the Windies and a bunch of associate teams is a pathetic return, that should be the end of Mott and Buttler as coach and captain.

They should have gone after the World Cup.

Buttler can play on if he wants but he can't be allowed to captain anymore, it's beyond redemption now.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Great batsman, decent keeper, poor captain.

Good batsman doesn’t do justice to Buttler as white ball player

Tbf I think you have been proved right as results have born out.

Both have turned out to be bad appointments, Mott been particularly bad and surprised he was appointed in the first place.

Buttler has been bad as well, but tbf to that appointment at the time, it was the natural appointment and all agreed with it, particularly Morgan who may have had an influence and was massively behind Buttler.

So hindsight a wonderful thing but think all would have appointed Buttler at that time
Not sure if you been critical of the powers of be appointing Buttler as captain?

If you are think that very unfair as think everybody would have done that at the time?
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The moniker great is applied far too readily these days so yeh,probably fits that description. The obvious progression to me was Morgan as Head Coach who would have provided the necessary guidance to Buttler. Certainly wasn't any obvious alternate to Buttler.Be interesting to see where we go from here. Over to you,Mr Key.It was him who got us in this mess by appointing Mott.
 
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Parkside said:
The moniker great is applied far too readily these days so yeh,probably fits that description. The obvious progression to me was Morgan as Head Coach who would have provided the necessary guidance to Buttler. Certainly wasn't any obvious alternate to Buttler.Be interesting to see where we go from here. Over to you,Mr Key.It was him who got us in this mess by appointing Mott.
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Yeah that more than fair enough, there was certainly a lot better candidates than Mott at the time, however Buttler looked and stress the word looked, a natural fit and successor to Morgan.

As for purely batsman Buttler has proved time and time again, as one of the best T20 batsman in the world over the last 10 years and miles our best during that period.

Whether than is classed as great or good who knows?
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Yeah that more than fair enough, there was certainly a lot better candidates than Mott at the time, however Buttler looked and stress the word looked, a natural fit and successor to Morgan.

As for purely batsman Buttler has proved time and time again, as one of the best T20 batsman in the world over the last 10 years and miles our best during that period.
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They were very big shoes to fill which was why the progression should have been gradual. Mott's background was never going to command the respect of the players.Buttler was dropped in it from the start.
 
Khukuri said:
1. Make up ridiculous bullshit
2. Get corrected with facts
3. Argue back with conspiracies
4. Get corrected with facts
5. Accuse the other person of being argumentative

Classic gaslighting. You must have a university degree in this, youre that good
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Are you his little pal jumping in when you weren’t even involved in the conversation? What a clown !!
 
Parkside said:
The moniker great is applied far too readily these days so yeh,probably fits that description. The obvious progression to me was Morgan as Head Coach who would have provided the necessary guidance to Buttler. Certainly wasn't any obvious alternate to Buttler.Be interesting to see where we go from here. Over to you,Mr Key.It was him who got us in this mess by appointing Mott.
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I’m probably not a good indicator of how good or bad Rob Key is as managing director of England Cricket because I can’t stand him in any capacity, but surely someone with more application could be found than jobs for the boys Key?
 
viccarlton said:
I’m probably not a good indicator of how good or bad Rob Key is as managing director of England Cricket because I can’t stand him in any capacity, but surely someone with more application could be found than jobs for the boys Key?
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Jobs for the boys is the English way, unfortunately.
Him and his pals are the root cause of this demise of our T20 team among other things. Wrong man for the job, imo of course.
 
viccarlton said:
I’m probably not a good indicator of how good or bad Rob Key is as managing director of England Cricket because I can’t stand him in any capacity, but surely someone with more application could be found than jobs for the boys Key?
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I'm in of the same mind as you re Key. Not an attractive position though with ECB clowns as your boss. Those best qualified have more attractive media or franchise coaching posts.
 
Parkside said:
The moniker great is applied far too readily these days so yeh,probably fits that description. The obvious progression to me was Morgan as Head Coach who would have provided the necessary guidance to Buttler. Certainly wasn't any obvious alternate to Buttler.Be interesting to see where we go from here. Over to you,Mr Key.It was him who got us in this mess by appointing Mott.
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I'd just get Bayliss back meself
 
Flintoff has been around the squad a lot , so he maybe the man to replace Mott

I think we need to go to a different area , than coaches who have been with England before. Can’t keep still and go back all the time.
 
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