PinzaC55
Striker
Network Rail are not supposed to "care" about anything they are not social workers. It sounds as though you are trying to deflect criticism from the council.
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Sunderland railway station.
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Network Rail are not supposed to "care" about anything they are not social workers. It sounds as though you are trying to deflect criticism from the council.
The bigger problem has been Nexus. As the designated public transport authority, they have set policies and made decisions that have hindered Sunderland’s development for decades.
Network Rail is just the infrastructure provider. They only manage a handful of the biggest stations in the country (Newcastle Central being the only one in the North East). The rest are managed / have their policies decided by the public transport authority.
Nexus have had a loss making and poorly ran metro system for years - it is sensible for them to try to encourage as many passengers as they can to use it - but they’ve have way outstripped that by blocking and opposing the development of new direct rail links for Sunderland.
Brett
Striker
How can the council have control over a building owned by network rail.
We are seen as a small regional train station with a major transport hub 20 minutes away.
We are not worth the investment in network rails mind
Tbf - the Council aren’t the designated public transport authority for rail. That’s Nexus/its successor.
It’s a mad system.
I would much rather the decisions for Sunderland be made here.
(On the basis that I’d expected fewer people here to laugh in my face / tell me to be grateful for what we’ve got). Perhaps.)
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Not even seen as regional train station, it's a feeder station according to Network Rail, which some won't like on here, Class B like Darlington is the regional one.
Newcastle (A)
Darlington (B)
Berwick (C1)
Durham (C1)
Middlesbrough (C1)
Sunderland (C2)
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)They're the most important stations in the North East, note that they've all had work in recent years and the amount spent on them would probably be in that order aswell.
It's probably only fair to compare to other C stations really or argue otherwise why it's a C station imo, rather than comparing to an A station like Newcastle which btw compared to the rest of the A stations has very little spent on it and isn't particular great compared to other stations nowadays either. Other than the crap upgrade of the portico with some pods, it's had nothing for over 20 years.
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Categorisations are at least partly determined by passengers numbers and nature of their journeys aren’t they?
(My point about throttled platform capacity, refusal to re-open unused platforms and objecting to additional services. It’s catch-22)
Revenue and PAX numbers I believe, don't disagree though but to Network Rail, Berwick is as important (which of course is nonsense in reality).
It may well be. It is on the East Coast Mainline(!)
Measure usage if the city actually had more direct connections elsewhere. (The modelling suggests there is massive untapped demand).
Sunderland as a city is a bottle with a cork. The cork needs to be removed.
PinzaC55
Striker
The problem is that when something goes right the chuckleheads here say WDSC. When something goes wrong they want to disassociate the council from it.
Not in the know in any way but follow regeneration and railways via a couple of magazines so as up to date as a lay person can be.
City Council has worked closely with Network Rail and other partners to facilitate the first stage.
They have already bought buildings to facilitate the north entrance, possibly involving demolition but not yet determined.
Phase 3 is the underground works which will help but the two north bound tracks will still be shared with heavy rail through to Pelaw.
Freight trains carrying biomass from the Port of Tyne to Drax and returning empty, ten minute frequency metros and more and more Grand Central travelling to and from Heaton for servicing.
There isn't the capacity for many more trains to run hence your Leamside reopening making sense.
Everyone, including the council and Network, have publicly stated their support for phases 2 and 3 but it will take some time and lots of money, all big rail investment schemes do.
Nothing compared to what has been, is being and is going to be spent in and around Sunderland.
We shouldn't really complain about the successful delivery of phase 1 of a multiphase scheme, surely.
City Council has worked closely with Network Rail and other partners to facilitate the first stage.
They have already bought buildings to facilitate the north entrance, possibly involving demolition but not yet determined.
Phase 3 is the underground works which will help but the two north bound tracks will still be shared with heavy rail through to Pelaw.
Freight trains carrying biomass from the Port of Tyne to Drax and returning empty, ten minute frequency metros and more and more Grand Central travelling to and from Heaton for servicing.
There isn't the capacity for many more trains to run hence your Leamside reopening making sense.
Everyone, including the council and Network, have publicly stated their support for phases 2 and 3 but it will take some time and lots of money, all big rail investment schemes do.
Nothing compared to what has been, is being and is going to be spent in and around Sunderland.
We shouldn't really complain about the successful delivery of phase 1 of a multiphase scheme, surely.
Osklen
Winger
I guess the proof will be if further funding is secured to deliver the platform level works?
This is the next most important phase now ahead of a new northern entrance although the two may well be intrinsically linked as far as we know. Fingers crossed funding will be sought and secured, as now is the best possible time with the devolution funding for transport improvements.
Boris Bear
Striker
Some people just want to complain about everything
Cappuccino Kid
Striker
what benefit would opening the other platforms have, when you still have the same bottlenecks outside the station? as in the twin track railway bridge and entire line to Pelaw.
Southbound and effective sidings capacity.
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Perhaps ease crowding as numbers travelling increase?
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country has gone backwards under this lot mate.
Northumberland Rocks
Striker
For the social media experts who want to blame the council for anything usually with a subtle political agenda as their motive.
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citybythesea
Striker
As one poster has suggested the metro has inhibited the regional and national rail connections and the metro has probably contributed to taking more people out the city centre than bringing people in
For this reason I think the rail services running south of the city centre need to be preserved and metro services prohibited on the Durham line at places like grangetown ryhope Seaham etc. because it will be more of the same. Better still people lobby for more / better connections to the east coast main line that run southerly. Keep the metro off those tracks. For them it’s a cheap way to expand their network but I believe it’s having a negative impact for Sunderland
For this reason I think the rail services running south of the city centre need to be preserved and metro services prohibited on the Durham line at places like grangetown ryhope Seaham etc. because it will be more of the same. Better still people lobby for more / better connections to the east coast main line that run southerly. Keep the metro off those tracks. For them it’s a cheap way to expand their network but I believe it’s having a negative impact for Sunderland
Walter Ego
Striker
Just used it there. Fantastic experience.
barts45
Winger
Good post
