Maybe they can spend it all fixing the f***ing escalator.
Sunderland railway station.
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Osklen
Winger
Doesn’t look like there is much more total scheme cost being £19m of which £5m towards a new car park.
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Darlo1973
Striker
And that's about as simple as a station gets - a couple of platforms, footbridge and a carpark. No station building, retail units or working underground.
They spent over £20 million on Liverpool Central Station a few years ago which was not that dis-similar to Sunderland, and that was just a facelift, nicer, but no major changes especially at the lower platform level.
I agree, I would find it quite novel if you’re buying a ticket and the lass is wearing a Jean Valjean mask.
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Obvious Mag
Central Defender
Sunderland station had 441k passengers last year. That’s less than Morpeth, 100k ahead of Metrocentre and a mere 8m or so behind Newcastle. Someone mentioned Haymarket, that pulled in 5m a year and Liverpool Central...14.6 million. Sunderland has minimal usage.
The point is it can be as pretty as it wants but if people neither want to travel to Sunderland or the station doesn’t have services where people want to go then it’s utterly pointless investing unless it’s infrastructure or improved services. That’s where the money needs to go.
The point is it can be as pretty as it wants but if people neither want to travel to Sunderland or the station doesn’t have services where people want to go then it’s utterly pointless investing unless it’s infrastructure or improved services. That’s where the money needs to go.
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PinzaC55
Striker
Do those figures include the Metro ? I find them highly dubious as Morpeth has a crap train service so they must be packed to the gunnels.
Obvious Mag
Central Defender
Believe so as Haymarket is solely metro. Figures are from here Estimates of station usage | ORR Data Portal
Morpeth has a better service than Sunderland tbf, direct links to London and Edinburgh plus local services and postcovid both TPE and the new open access EastCoast operator will stop there.
citybythesea
Winger
The best thing for Sunderland rail is to look to services south out of the city centre. Anything going north get slowed down by the living hell called the metro
The focus for the infrastructure, road rail and the port should be looking southerly connecting to the Durham coast line and A19
The focus for the infrastructure, road rail and the port should be looking southerly connecting to the Durham coast line and A19
PinzaC55
Striker
I still can't fathom it.
This is the local service between Morpeth and Newcastle.
Historically on the North Eastern Railway, Sunderland used to be second only to Newcastle in terms of tickets sold and way more than York. I guess it mirrors the decline of Sunderland if it is less than Morpeth.
Darlo1973
Striker
I haven't been to Morpeth in many years but I would imagine that it would be a convenient place to commute into Newcastle with good road and rail links. I doubt that many people commute to or from Sunderland central station.
PinzaC55
Striker
You don't think many people commute between Sunderland and Newcastle on the frequent Metro service ?
Wearside Wanderer II
Striker
You don't think many people commute between Sunderland and Newcastle on the frequent Metro service ?
Off topic but out of interest as I know your are the Train guru....
Has the port used the railway line yet? I’ve seen the odd engine there when it was first reinstalled but ain’t seen anything for donkeys. Just wondering if it has a regular shuttle or once in a blue moon?
PinzaC55
Striker
No idea as I don't live in the area any more. The recent Fisheries Act includes a mention of "improving port infrastructure" so we may see some developments but I wouldn't put money on it.
Osklen
Winger
This is all a bit over my head but seems they have changed some form of methodology in determining station usage (pg11 section 3.3). Based on the revised methodology there was 42% decrease in usage of the station.
Martin F
Striker
Most are going to use metro stations closer to their homes rather than the city centre railway station.You don't think many people commute between Sunderland and Newcastle on the frequent Metro service ?
But they can now start their (metro) journeys either side of Sunderland station. Before the metro you had to commence your journey from the station. Are people now driving more rather than using the train.You don't think many people commute between Sunderland and Newcastle on the frequent Metro service ?
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mackem35
Winger
The problem with Sunderland station is that it has no long stay car parking or any useful car parking for that matter, you access it via a back lane and its a hole. So people drive to Durham or Newcastle and numbers drop; perhaps if we had decent services and a connection to Durham or an upgraded Durham coast line then numbers would grow but its catch22, fewer numbers give network rail an excuse not to spend money but unless we have a decent station and services, the taxi firms will be busy whizzing back and forth to Durham / Newcastle. I find the station so depressing I get on at park Lane so i dont have to use it.
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