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Sunderland Central Railway Station

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Hep said:
Or how about the road costing tens of millions that goes from the new bridge to Trimdon street bypassing all the roads that don't really get busy and bringing you out where they do?
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Thought you were doing quite well until you pulled that one out. At certain times of the day those roads can be horrendous. I am admit Sunderland does not have the congestion anyway near London levels but traffic growth is growing and I think the road is necessary. Anyway, the new bridge / sstc3 etc for me was all about opening up the land that was Groves and the old Pyrex warehousing site etc. The road is providing a dual carriageway from the city centre to the A19 can't see what the issue is.
 

mackem35 said:
Thought you were doing quite well until you pulled that one out. At certain times of the day those roads can be horrendous. I am admit Sunderland does not have the congestion anyway near London levels but traffic growth is growing and I think the road is necessary. Anyway, the new bridge / sstc3 etc for me was all about opening up the land that was Groves and the old Pyrex warehousing site etc. The road is providing a dual carriageway from the city centre to the A19 can't see what the issue is.
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It brings you out at the heart of the congestion at Cowies roundabout, it doesn't bypass it. It just seems like a low priority compared to other things we need.
 
Hep said:
You don't understand, that's why you can't construct any valid response to the fact that the council are sub-standard.

With the point about Vaux, the fact that they eventually bought site is surely evidence that they were able to buy the site. Any council worth their salt should have all over it when Vaux closed. They've never had a coherent strategy for the CIty centre, which is why it's in the mess it's in. Coupled with the fact that they are not even aware of how bad their management makes it's worse. All we seem to get are plans that never happen or take a generation to progress. Look at the 'Stadium Park' plans and then look at that Area. Same for Seaburn, same for Vaux.

They've done a good job fooling the apologists minds.
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They were able to buy it at the time they did cos they got £24m from central government to do so. 10 years prior they didnt have the money.
 
42 said:
They were able to buy it at the time they did cos they got £24m from central government to do so. 10 years prior they didnt have the money.
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I've got to blame them for that, it was pretty obvious it was going to close and this is why the council need to have reserves to pay for things like this. How much did Tesco buy it for?
 
Hep said:
I've got to blame them for that, it was pretty obvious it was going to close and this is why the council need to have reserves to pay for things like this. How much did Tesco buy it for?
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No idea what tesco paid. What if the government of the day wouldnt stump up cash? Yes they could borrow it but then youd be moaning about them increasing their debt
 
Hep said:
You don't understand, that's why you can't construct any valid response to the fact that the council are sub-standard.

With the point about Vaux, the fact that they eventually bought site is surely evidence that they were able to buy the site. Any council worth their salt should have all over it when Vaux closed. They've never had a coherent strategy for the CIty centre, which is why it's in the mess it's in. Coupled with the fact that they are not even aware of how bad their management makes it's worse. All we seem to get are plans that never happen or take a generation to progress. Look at the 'Stadium Park' plans and then look at that Area. Same for Seaburn, same for Vaux.

They've done a good job fooling the apologists minds.
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In respect to Vaux there is plenty of articles stating that the council was seeking to acquire the land at the time, even the council saying they were going to compulsory purchase the site from Whitbread And I think some references to Whitbread saying they hadn’t heard from the council about acquitting it, but the stories appear to be very contradictory.

however I would say that it would appear that Whitbread were selling to the highest bidder, and in all fairness the council would not have been able to outbid Tesco.

Tesco once they acquired the site obviously used it as a bit of a ransom to get exactly what they wanted. Tesco from the articles I had read wanted an alternative city centre location, which meant they had to acquire the appropriate site which in turn required further negotiation to acquire it. Sadly it took far too long but companies like Tesco could take as long as they wanted to get what they wanted, and council needed funding from One North East.
 
mackem35 said:
Does it have toilets ? Does it smell of cooking fat from Burger King and do you get to it by a back lane ?
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There are 3 other entrances not accessible by back lanes. They could always close that entrance if that is more suitable.
 
42 said:
No idea what tesco paid. What if the government of the day wouldnt stump up cash? Yes they could borrow it but then youd be moaning about them increasing their debt
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Any organisation of that size should have reserves of cash, if they didn’t, that’s just further mismanagement.

I bet it was a fraction of what the council paid.
 
citybythesea said:
That's my preferred site

Imagine the entrance opposite the war memorial. Would be more befitting of Sunderland

That way the rail could avoid inference from the metro

No matter how many refurbishments of current station it would be throwing good money after bad
The state of the current station is indefensible

Needs a new station built opposite the war memorial ext to the civic
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Is it feasible to put the train station there? Doesn’t the platform have to be flat rather than curved (for the record I am not sure if it is flat enough or not).

Also are you suggesting having separate station for metro and rail?
 
Hep said:
Any organisation of that size should have reserves of cash, if they didn’t, that’s just further mismanagement.

I bet it was a fraction of what the council paid.
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Im sure they will as they have to by law. But it will be earmarked for other stuff. All plans for capital stuff are made well in advance. They cant just spend that sort of cash at short notice after a bidding war.
 
42 said:
Im sure they will as they have to by law. But it will be earmarked for other stuff. All plans for capital stuff are made well in advance. They cant just spend that sort of cash at short notice after a bidding war.
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Would guess they’d need full committee / cabinet approval to allocate it / spend it? Didn’t Tesco buy the site for something like £10m and ONE/SCC bought it for £20m?

I would like to know if they felt that Tesco was a decent development on that site? By the same token someone / people in the council thought putting Morrison’s on the sea front was also a good idea - probably due to the land receipt they’d get with such developments.
 
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