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Sunderland Central Railway Station

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Hep said:
Which bit is wrong?

The council contribute to Nexus?
Nexus funded the last revamp of the station?

I see the council lovers have appeared, just like Vaux when it was never the councils fault that they didn't buy the site as the council can't do that type of thing, until they did exactly that year's later.

Who's funded the next station upgrade?
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No the bit where you said it’s operated by Nexus....it’s not, it’s operated by Arriva Rail North.

Keep digging.
 

coach13 said:
Being honest I thought the main railway station was a metro stop the first time we arrived. I genuinely couldn't believe That tunnel and couple of platforms is a main line station. Really struggling to think of a worse Station for first Impression, not even toilets there.
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It’s not a main line station, that’s the problem.
 
Boris Bear said:
No the bit where you said it’s operated by Nexus....it’s not, it’s operated by Arriva Rail North.

Keep digging.
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Keep splitting the hairs if you want.

Nexus was responsible for the last upgrade. For once, try to stop finding excuses.
 
Hep said:
Keep splitting the hairs if you want.

Nexus was responsible for the last upgrade. For once, try to stop finding excuses.
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Arriva Rail North operate it. Do you agree that you were wrong on this point?
 
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Boris Bear said:
Arriva Rail North operate it. Do you agree that you were wrong on this point?
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I do, not that it is material to the argument.

Council fund Nexus, Nexus did the last upgrade, the council has an influence and impact on the station. It looks like a sewer, where did the £7M go, it's an embarrassment.

Please reply saying something along the lines of it's not the council's responsibility, just like Vaux couldn't be bought until they bought it.

Or if you'd prefer, you could reply saying we have plans, plans to glue some shapes to the outside and leave it pretty much structurally the same but we'll spend millions doing it and of course, the councillors will need a few trips to Singapore for research purposes whilst their mates get handed the contracts.

How's Vaux doing, 20 years, and 2 floors leased on one building, next to a car park that doesn't open till 7am on a weekday!

Or Seaburn, how long does it take to dump some containers. The Seaburn centre shut nearly 3 years ago.

Or how about the road costing tens of millions that goes from the new bridge to Trimdon street bypassing all the roads that don't really get busy and bringing you out where they do?

Sub-standard ambition, sub-standard execution, sub-standard town.

Let's have those legitimate excuses.
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Did we get the money we bid for?

Also, £108M upgrading the track between Pelaw and Tyne Dock, E99M opening new stations in Northumberland. £22.5M for North Shields station upgrade. £18.4 for Central station

Sunderland station gets £12.6 - given we spent £7m last time on a LED wall and still have no toilets, it looks like we are the poor relation again.
 
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Hep said:
I do, not that it is material to the argument.

Council fund Nexus, Nexus did the last upgrade, the council has an influence and impact on the station. It looks like a sewer, where did the £7M go, it's an embarrassment.

Please reply saying something along the lines of it's not the council's responsibility, just like Vaux couldn't be bought until they bought it.

Or if you'd prefer, you could reply saying we have plans, plans to glue some shapes to the outside and leave it pretty much structurally the same but we'll spend millions doing it and of course, the councillors will need a few trips to Singapore for research purposes whilst their mates get handed the contracts.

How's Vaux doing, 20 years, and 2 floors leased on one building, next to a car park that doesn't open till 7am on a weekday!

Or Seaburn, how long does it take to dump some containers. The Seaburn centre shut nearly 3 years ago.

Or how about the road costing tens of millions that goes from the new bridge to Trimdon street bypassing all the roads that don't really get busy and bringing you out where they do?

Sub-standard ambition, sub-standard execution, sub-standard town.

Let's have those legitimate excuses.

Did we get the money we bid for?

Also, £108M upgrading the track between Pelaw and Tyne Dock, E99M opening new stations in Northumberland. £22.5M for North Shields station upgrade. £18.4 for Central station

Sunderland station gets £12.6 - given we spent £7m last time on a LED wall and still have no toilets, it looks like we are the poor relation again.
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I’m not sure - not heard that it’s been officially approved yet.

I agree that the cost doesn’t really suggest it will be a massive change. Believe it is just knocking down the existing above station structure and rebuilding it. It isn’t to do any work below ground, but could be wrong.
I think in response to your comment that work gets handed to labour councillors mates is inaccurate as the council must follow a strict OJEU procurement procedure unless it is through an already OJEU’d framework (well at least for works above £5m).

Regarding Vaux no one has really been able to prove if the council could have bought the site. If they didn’t then that was a huge mistake if the couldn’t then how can you blame them? I appreciate you have to make your own assessment of the situation.

Seaburn would have been delivered a while ago I suspect but it was the local people’s opposition to housing on the site that has delayed matters. The issue now is that not sure long term what is going to happen.

SSTC has been planned for decades and guess that as they got money for the bridge they had to do the rest of the work to support it. Hopefully it will unlock a few development sites such as Groves cranes and Pallion.

I don’t think I’m making excuses for them more tabling the issues that have been faced. The only one that may not have been in their control is Vaux.
 
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South Shields has a brand new interchange. Independents (Brexit co ltd) are playing mery hell about the cost. It looks like the same bunch are playing hell because Sunderland have not spent the money. I have photos going back years and it was always a slum. Much worse in the 1950s.
 
Hep said:
I do, not that it is material to the argument.

Council fund Nexus, Nexus did the last upgrade, the council has an influence and impact on the station. It looks like a sewer, where did the £7M go, it's an embarrassment.

Please reply saying something along the lines of it's not the council's responsibility, just like Vaux couldn't be bought until they bought it.

Or if you'd prefer, you could reply saying we have plans, plans to glue some shapes to the outside and leave it pretty much structurally the same but we'll spend millions doing it and of course, the councillors will need a few trips to Singapore for research purposes whilst their mates get handed the contracts.

How's Vaux doing, 20 years, and 2 floors leased on one building, next to a car park that doesn't open till 7am on a weekday!

Or Seaburn, how long does it take to dump some containers. The Seaburn centre shut nearly 3 years ago.

Or how about the road costing tens of millions that goes from the new bridge to Trimdon street bypassing all the roads that don't really get busy and bringing you out where they do?

Sub-standard ambition, sub-standard execution, sub-standard town.

Let's have those legitimate excuses.

Did we get the money we bid for?

Also, £108M upgrading the track between Pelaw and Tyne Dock, E99M opening new stations in Northumberland. £22.5M for North Shields station upgrade. £18.4 for Central station

Sunderland station gets £12.6 - given we spent £7m last time on a LED wall and still have no toilets, it looks like we are the poor relation again.
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I agree that you're wrong
 
Boris Bear said:
I understand that you were wrong and that you’re still digging sweetheart
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You don't understand, that's why you can't construct any valid response to the fact that the council are sub-standard.
Osklen said:
I’m not sure - not heard that it’s been officially approved yet.

I agree that the cost doesn’t really suggest it will be a massive change. Believe it is just knocking down the existing above station structure and rebuilding it. It isn’t to do any work below ground, but could be wrong.
I think in response to your comment that work gets handed to labour councillors mates is inaccurate as the council must follow a strict OJEU procurement procedure unless it is through an already OJEU’d framework (well at least for works above £5m).

Regarding Vaux no one has really been able to prove if the council could have bought the site. If they didn’t then that was a huge mistake if the couldn’t then how can you blame them? I appreciate you have to make your own assessment of the situation.

Seaburn would have been delivered a while ago I suspect but it was the local people’s opposition to housing on the site that has delayed matters. The issue now is that not sure long term what is going to happen.

SSTC has been planned for decades and guess that as they got money for the bridge they had to do the rest of the work to support it. Hopefully it will unlock a few development sites such as Groves cranes and Pallion.

I don’t think I’m making excuses for them more tabling the issues that have been faced. The only one that may not have been in their control is Vaux.
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With the point about Vaux, the fact that they eventually bought site is surely evidence that they were able to buy the site. Any council worth their salt should have all over it when Vaux closed. They've never had a coherent strategy for the CIty centre, which is why it's in the mess it's in. Coupled with the fact that they are not even aware of how bad their management makes it's worse. All we seem to get are plans that never happen or take a generation to progress. Look at the 'Stadium Park' plans and then look at that Area. Same for Seaburn, same for Vaux.

They've done a good job fooling the apologists minds.
 
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AB22 Easy Tiger said:
Move the station south, to the site of Fawcett St. Station.
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That's my preferred site

Imagine the entrance opposite the war memorial. Would be more befitting of Sunderland

That way the rail could avoid inference from the metro

No matter how many refurbishments of current station it would be throwing good money after bad
The state of the current station is indefensible

Needs a new station built opposite the war memorial ext to the civic
 
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