Surely the people that will lose their jobs in the grand scheme of running a football are not going to save the club that much money? Its not going to be the multi millionaire footballers going, so surely the wages recouped isnt going to make much a diff? Seems like shitting on the little man for little return.
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The Spezial One
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Exactly, can't understand when people get defensive about it just because it's a football club. It's still a multi billion pound industry after all.
It's not. These were happening regardless of whether we go down or not. He's been assessing the finances and planning changes since day 1, we aren't ran efficiently enough.
Saucy Jack
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Well that's not what I said, is it?
10 Gary Rowells
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I think you are correct. The last time they had a team build at Nissan it did the trick. Moyes is trying everything he can think of. The redundancies, I would guess, are part of a much longer term plan from Bain. Its a disgrace that we have made such losses and something has to be done to change that and restructuring the costs is part of it. To my mind the people at fault here are Short and the stupid appointments he made in Byrne and Hutchinson.
Guinness Guzzler
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It does seem that way a bit but if, for example, you have people working full time on things like the invest in Africa type partnerships and it's decided that we aren't going to work on such things anymore then you'd need to let the people go, even if the saving is a drop in the ocean compared to other expenditure, because you simply don't need anyone doing the job. No loss making business will keep people employed for no reason. Equally the mags make profit, you could give jobs to loads of locals even if they aren't needed, the cost would be a drop in the ocean; it'd be nice but you'd never expect them to do it. Not trying to make this into a club debate but it illustrates the point
buster
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He obviously thought they were the right appointments at the time , hindsight what a wonderful view.
Church
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its not something you should find funny, even if you are laughing because you disagree.You do not know that.
And even if it were so, shall the club employ people just because it can?
You can't argue with that. It's sad to see people lose their job but if there isn't a job for them then there's not a lot you can do about it.
we assume all these people had jobs that were required, and in many cases left another job to join SAFC.
and their wages will be peanuts compared to the player outlay.
Sumdumgi
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It's about a reorganisation of running the football club as a business - not specifically or only about cost cutting. We have been run appallingly for donkeys years and Bain is tasked with doing something about it.
Guinness Guzzler
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Whether Bain has done a good job will take a few years to decide. I certainly don't like it when people say "I like him, seems to be open with the fans" and the likes. His "openness" is nothing more than a corporate strategy. Virtually nothing in the premier league world is genuine. The glib soundbytes he comes out with to placate the fans are simply because he knows we're going to be making cuts like this and knows we'll likely be relegated. I doubt he gives a fuck about "connecting" with the fans, other then hoping that by appearing to do so people might give more time, and leeway, for him to make the changes he and Short want to make. That's not necessarily a bad thing, time will tell, but I see it as insincere and certainly don't "trust" him
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Slackythemackem
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I work with a lad presently who is mates with one of the lads on the books at Preston. He was telling me this morning that he had been speaking to his mate yesterday who said Jordan Pickford's snap chat had been full of the team f***ing hammered all the time they were in New York. It's f***ing dog shite that as shit as they are they are still luxury holidays like this.
Fair enough i do not know the ins and outs.
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JohnAin
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Team building? How the hell can a jolly in NYC accomplish that ffs? I give in. What a bunch of arseholes, management and alleged players
These guys are idiots. Send them out with the life boat guys, the fire service etc here in Sunderland. How about a week on a trawler? Put them on an army trek in the Durham dales with restricted resources and no feckin phones or headphones. That's how you build team spirit. With a realisation that you must cooperate and join in to survive.
Character / team building in NYC? Fuck me, are they dreaming or am I?
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shogun1904
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Awful timing to announce it. Whoever is in charge of the PR team should be the first to get bladdered.
Guinness Guzzler
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It is. Mind, if true that they have to give a 3 month period they'd need to do it now in case we get relegated. If that's the case but they didn't make an announcement news of it would presumably break anyway (people involved would tell their mates, who would post it here etc). I'm guessing the club thought it would go down badly if it looked like they were trying to do it on the sly, so announced it. The timing is still unfortunate, but maybe it's not incompetence that's led to it (well, other than the general incompetence of the past few years like)
10 Gary Rowells
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Yes, but Byrne was a 31 year old high street solicitor and Hutchinson started in the SOL restaurant - what made Short think they had the background or capabilities to run a multi million pound business? Their cv's wouldn't have suggested this.
Scotty 1978
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I wonder if season cards go up this season ?
Guinness Guzzler
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An equally poor decision was not appointing a chairman who knew the game. I'm sure Short would admit himself that he is far from a football expert, maybe he thought that running a club would be similar to any other business but it obviously isn't. He could have been owner and let someone else actually run it
A little story from a few weeks back. A premier league team came into where I work. They all (after the match the whole team)had a drink. One player. Well known, will be a multi millionaire for sure asked one of the staff if she could do another round of drinks but sign it off as extras (laundry for example) so it went on the club bill. Fair enough, maybe they were told one drink only but obviously wanted and would have had more. I thought the greedy f***ing twat. Put your hand in your pocket. .........those players won't give a flying fuck about people losing jobs most of which will probably be on 15,20,25 k.
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Narraback
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And this is why I no longer pay to watch Premier League football. Arsehole millionaires stealing a living, knowing their income is safe regardless, while the real workers on the lowest pay lose their jobs in a heartbeat.
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