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TexasMackem said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the loss of form is down to Speakman and the players being told who's getting a contract at the end of the season and who's not. A bit speculative but it's an open secret now that Gooch is finished at safc.

I know he's not everyone's cup of tea but I'm still shocked by the Flanagan situation - the sudden loss of form, a move that looks very poor on paper, the assertion that he needed to secure his long term future, the lack of replacement etc.

I can only deduce that something has soured very quickly. Some won't agree but Flanagan had every chance of being at the club in the championship next year.
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Flanagans form and the rest fell off a cliff at New Year. The whole teams performance went pear shaped on the run in last season. Rumours of players being told they are not needed but still picked for games is a recipe for disaster. Johnson and/or Speakman must be doing this as we can see the effect its had on performances.

Piss poor management at the club.
 

jsdftm04 said:
Is speakman the right man? He's left us too short at centre back and appointed Johnson who once again, failed to get the club up. The jury should be out on him, never mind the managers.
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Whilst I'd have preferred another centre half to come in, I don't think that's the issue. I've posted elsewhere that I think the central midfield pairing of Neil and Evans is what is costing us. I was in shock to see them two starting again yesterday.

We currently have Batth, Doyle, Xhemajli and Wright when he returns from injury next week. That should be enough players for that position. We shouldn't be stockpiling players for every position. If we were to have an injury crisis at the back then we have players who can play multiple positions or promote a player from the U23s.

On the Johnson front, he had us playing some good stuff at times, he may have got us up but the club felt that he had to be moved on.

The jury should be out on Speakman but he has been in the job a little over a year, and in that year our recruitment in my opinion has been very positive.
 
Personally think the only reason a club would need a Director of Football/Sporting Director is if the owner isn't involved, and you need someone to oversee the Manager. Kyril is involved, so why do we need Speakman? Get rid of him, get Keane in, change whatever 'philosophy' is currently at the club to 'run through brick walls for the fans', then once that is instilled, stop ever using the word 'philosophy' because it's bollocks.

Football is simple. Pick the right formation to the team you're playing against, pick the most in form players for the positions in that formation. Work your bollocks off, chase every ball, no sideways or backwards passing, get stuck in.

Play like that, the fans will love you, and we'll win games.
 
JHmackem said:
Personally think the only reason a club would need a Director of Football/Sporting Director is if the owner isn't involved, and you need someone to oversee the Manager. Kyril is involved, so why do we need Speakman? Get rid of him, get Keane in, change whatever 'philosophy' is currently at the club to 'run through brick walls for the fans', then once that is instilled, stop ever using the word 'philosophy' because it's bollocks.

Football is simple. Pick the right formation to the team you're playing against, pick the most in form players for the positions in that formation. Work your bollocks off, chase every ball, no sideways or backwards passing, get stuck in.

Play like that, the fans will love you, and we'll win games.
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If a Dodds or a Speakman read that I honestly think they would think you were from Mars - out of touch completely them/not you imo.
 
I see it differently to many of the comments on here. Traditionally Sunderland have flip flopped about. We tried Congleton, we tried Di Fanti, we played a certain style with Poyet and then different with Allardyce etc. All the time we were racking up debts that could have destroyed us. We were taken over by Donald and Methven who proved to be totally unsuitable and sold off a boatload of young talent for buttons. Finally we seem to have an owner who wants to build us back up. The DOF system makes lots of sense to give us solid foundations. The recruitment has been good and we have got a load of young talent in along with some experience. I feel the appointment of Johnson was done in haste as they had just got in control and needed someone in place. Any analysis of Johnson's career would suggest he's not going to get us promoted. We need some in place quickly to get the season back on track and we can still get promoted.

On this board there seems to be an opinion that we should get rid of Speakman, get rid of the DOF system and go back to the old 'tried and tested' traditional stop/go of getting a new manager in, spend money in the summer for a new squad and rinse and repeat. For me we have to stick with the principles that our young owner came in and hold our nerve. They have been in charge just over a year and yet people want them to rip up everything they have put in place and all their ideas etc.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
I see it differently to many of the comments on here. Traditionally Sunderland have flip flopped about. We tried Congleton, we tried Di Fanti, we played a certain style with Poyet and then different with Allardyce etc. All the time we were racking up debts that could have destroyed us. We were taken over by Donald and Methven who proved to be totally unsuitable and sold off a boatload of young talent for buttons. Finally we seem to have an owner who wants to build us back up. The DOF system makes lots of sense to give us solid foundations. The recruitment has been good and we have got a load of young talent in along with some experience. I feel the appointment of Johnson was done in haste as they had just got in control and needed someone in place. Any analysis of Johnson's career would suggest he's not going to get us promoted. We need some in place quickly to get the season back on track and we can still get promoted.

On this board there seems to be an opinion that we should get rid of Speakman, get rid of the DOF system and go back to the old 'tried and tested' traditional stop/go of getting a new manager in, spend money in the summer for a new squad and rinse and repeat. For me we have to stick with the principles that our young owner came in and hold our nerve. They have been in charge just over a year and yet people want them to rip up everything they have put in place and all their ideas etc.
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This exactly. Thank you for saving me from having to type it.
 
Aye stick with a system,we’ll piss the conference then.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
I see it differently to many of the comments on here. Traditionally Sunderland have flip flopped about. We tried Congleton, we tried Di Fanti, we played a certain style with Poyet and then different with Allardyce etc. All the time we were racking up debts that could have destroyed us. We were taken over by Donald and Methven who proved to be totally unsuitable and sold off a boatload of young talent for buttons. Finally we seem to have an owner who wants to build us back up. The DOF system makes lots of sense to give us solid foundations. The recruitment has been good and we have got a load of young talent in along with some experience. I feel the appointment of Johnson was done in haste as they had just got in control and needed someone in place. Any analysis of Johnson's career would suggest he's not going to get us promoted. We need some in place quickly to get the season back on track and we can still get promoted.

On this board there seems to be an opinion that we should get rid of Speakman, get rid of the DOF system and go back to the old 'tried and tested' traditional stop/go of getting a new manager in, spend money in the summer for a new squad and rinse and repeat. For me we have to stick with the principles that our young owner came in and hold our nerve. They have been in charge just over a year and yet people want them to rip up everything they have put in place and all their ideas etc.
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Do you think Keane will be a good fit with that? That seems to be the issue.
 
MSC said:
If a Dodds or a Speakman read that I honestly think they would think you were from Mars - out of touch completely them/not you imo.
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I think some of our fans seem completely out of touch with modern football.

We're a year into a strategy where I believe our recruitment process has been better than I can remember for years. Now you want to rip that up as we have hit a bump in the road back to the way we have tried and failed for years and what ultimately has led us down to League 1 in the first place.

I understand the importance of getting out of this league as soon as possible but we will just end up in the same position if we just start scrapping things entirely as soon as there's a few issues.

As for the comment of "No sideways or backwards passing" ffs man. :rolleyes: :lol:
 
I genuinely hope that his comments around the current recruitment position is a bit of a smokescreen.

Hopefully he’s just keeping his cards close to his chest so he doesn’t alienate other candidates if talks with our preferred coach breaks down.
 
SAFCMark said:
I think some of our fans seem completely out of touch with modern football.

We're a year into a strategy where I believe our recruitment process has been better than I can remember for years. Now you want to rip that up as we have hit a bump in the road back to the way we have tried and failed for years and what ultimately has led us down to League 1 in the first place.

I understand the importance of getting out of this league as soon as possible but we will just end up in the same position if we just start scrapping things as soon as there's a few issues.

As for the comment of "No sideways or backwards passing" ffs man. :rolleyes: :lol:
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Recruitment process? Apart from Pritchard and Stewart who have we brought in who’s made the side stronger?
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
I see it differently to many of the comments on here. Traditionally Sunderland have flip flopped about. We tried Congleton, we tried Di Fanti, we played a certain style with Poyet and then different with Allardyce etc. All the time we were racking up debts that could have destroyed us. We were taken over by Donald and Methven who proved to be totally unsuitable and sold off a boatload of young talent for buttons. Finally we seem to have an owner who wants to build us back up. The DOF system makes lots of sense to give us solid foundations. The recruitment has been good and we have got a load of young talent in along with some experience. I feel the appointment of Johnson was done in haste as they had just got in control and needed someone in place. Any analysis of Johnson's career would suggest he's not going to get us promoted. We need some in place quickly to get the season back on track and we can still get promoted.

On this board there seems to be an opinion that we should get rid of Speakman, get rid of the DOF system and go back to the old 'tried and tested' traditional stop/go of getting a new manager in, spend money in the summer for a new squad and rinse and repeat. For me we have to stick with the principles that our young owner came in and hold our nerve. They have been in charge just over a year and yet people want them to rip up everything they have put in place and all their ideas etc.
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I'm somewhere in the middle. I agree that we should be sticking with our philosophy, and I think Keane could be perfect for it. Last time he was here, his remit was too far reaching, probably due to his own arrogance, having exclusive control over all football matters. His recruitment in the Premier league was his undoing.

I think generally our recruitment has been pretty good under the DOF model, on good days we look like we've got some real assets so if Keane is willing to have the final say on those identified for him, instead of bring in those who he knows, it could work very well.

Whether Speakman is the man to be in the DoF post is another matter. We've ended up with some very strange transfers, raising some questions about processes behind the scenes, and an administrative inhibitor to getting the guy we all want.
 
SAFCMark said:
I think some of our fans seem completely out of touch with modern football.

We're a year into a strategy where I believe our recruitment process has been better than I can remember for years. Now you want to rip that up as we have hit a bump in the road back to the way we have tried and failed for years and what ultimately has led us down to League 1 in the first place.

I understand the importance of getting out of this league as soon as possible but we will just end up in the same position if we just start scrapping things entirely as soon as there's a few issues.

As for the comment of "No sideways or backwards passing" ffs man. :rolleyes: :lol:
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I’m not defending the previous regime by any stretch and at least the drain from the academy has stopped but has The new recruitment been that good like?

Is Evans a better signing than Onien was?
Is Hoffman a better signing than McLaughlin?
Is Baath better than Willis was?
Has Conor Mc been replaced.?

Stewart far better than Wyke and Huggins/Broadhead look good, unfortunately injured. Not that much in it really despite all the smoke and mirrors.
 
I’m late to the party and have just listened to that interview. As usual, he talks a lot and tells us nothing. He gives me the impression that the club are taking a step back regarding Keane. Maybe Keane has turned us down or made a demand that the club won’t accommodate.
Nobody’s panicking he says, if he’s telling the truth why on earth are they not in a position to appoint now ?
Have they accepted that we may well not go up this season ?
It certainly appears that he is no hurry to sort the vacancy out and that’s a worry. If he isn’t telling the truth then what was the point of that interview ? Well, there was no point in that interview really unless he is preparing us for a fall, which I think he is.
 
OohBaldyBally said:
I genuinely hope that his comments around the current recruitment position is a bit of a smokescreen.

Hopefully he’s just keeping his cards close to his chest so he doesn’t alienate other candidates if talks with our preferred coach breaks down.
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It was a naive interview, no need to make it
I still think it’s stupid they released the Keane talks whipping up hysteria great if it works out but if it’s not him it’s putting new fella whoever it is in awful position
 
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