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Southampton spying compendium thread


Amokachi said:
I said above, as long as all former & future cheating is treated the same I'm ok with it.

That would mean Man City being stripped of all their titles during their cheating period (NINE YEARS) and significant demotion (at least a few leagues).

So cheating again using lawyers is a good thing???

Mental view of things.
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Amokachi said:
I said above, as long as all former & future cheating is treated the same I'm ok with it.

That would mean Man City being stripped of all their titles during their cheating period (NINE YEARS) and significant demotion (at least a few leagues).

So cheating again using lawyers is a good thing???

Mental view of things.

I agree they're not comparable - what City did is way worse.
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So you've found City guilty?
 
HorsePills said:
It's always the lazy comparison though, referring to the Man City case. The two aren't comparable, not least because it's two separate bodies dealing with it, but also because in one case Southampton admitted it, in the other Man City deny their charges and do their best to stall, block and delay the investigation through a massively expensive legal team.
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One is financial doping, the other is a sporting issue. The differences are chalk and cheese.
 
Amokachi said:
Ok well then I assume you agree Man City's punishment should be massive.

The fact they're using lawyers to try to cheat their way out, like Wall Street criminals do is disgusting and should increase their punishment.
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The punishment should fit what they're found guilty of, yes. In this case Southampton admitted cheating in a knockout competition and were removed from that competiton.
 
People thinking the punishment is harsh are missing one point.

Say you fine Southampton a million quid it basically says to everyone that if you get to the play offs then you should spy on your opponents. In a game worth so much money it’s cheap for any advantage.

You need to set a president that other clubs don’t do it again.
 
Diamond Eyes said:
Interesting that when Bielsa did it in 2019 (I think) there was no widespread call for him to resign, or even that much contempt for him or what he had done.

He did a press conference, brought out a load of dossiers and analytical info, and basically said “this is me, I’m a sad information junkie”. And then Leeds got a fine and everyone moved on.

He then went on to orchestrate one of the greatest sporting gestures of fairness by getting his players to concede an own goal, and is generally regarded as a good person and is hero worshipped by Leeds fans.

Compare that to Eckert, who is about to get sacked, tarred and feathered.

I totally agree with the punishment to the club, but I don’t think Eckert should have the rest of his career destroyed by this. He’s been stupid but he doesn’t deserve that.
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I mean there was precedent now following Leeds so everyone and their dog knows now this isn’t something you can do and is seen as cheating. It kicked right off at the time with bielsa, this was also a playoff game so even more added.

I think the way he’s handled it almost arrogant and dismissive hasn’t helped him. Bielsa was also a well respected coach around the world this bloke has come from nowhere to have one of the best win ratios this season. It all looks iffy.
Amokachi said:
So more lies? At least they admitted it straight away not like City.
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Means nowt I don’t know why people bring up city it’s a different issue and also absolutely zero to do with the efl.
 
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Amokachi said:
I agree, massive cheating for 9 years compared with a young lad filming a bit of training.
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Young lad just off doing a bit of filming?

I think it’s a little more than that. We will find out more when full details are released but I don’t think it will be a young lad making a mistake.

But tbh the premier league should take a note out of the efl book.
 
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Zimba said:
I don't get why people think the punishment is harsh personally. They cheated in a competition for a medal and got kicked out the competition.

The fact the medal came with a promotion worth £200m quid is completely irrelevent.
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My thoughts entirely. If anything, the sanction is lenient. For systematic cheating, they had one match cancelled and were docked 4 points.

It's immaterial what they might have gained if they'd won the match. Yet the way the club has been talking, it's as if they thought the win was a foregone conclusion.

The people who have been punished most harshly are the supporters, who are currently out of pocket. (That said, the ones who leaned into the spygate story, with their binoculars and camouflage fancy dress, came across as a bunch of knobs.)
 
Amokachi said:
I agree, massive cheating for 9 years compared with a young lad filming a bit of training.
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" a young lad filming a bit of training "........

Are you deliberately obtuse, haven't you followed the case or were you simply born contradictory by nature?

You seem incapable of answering a straight question, but deflect or change it. Bit like City's lawyers, then.
 
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Monty Pigeon said:
My thoughts entirely. If anything, the sanction is lenient. For systematic cheating, they had one match cancelled and were docked 4 points.

It's immaterial what they might have gained if they'd won the match. Yet the way the club has been talking, it's as if they thought the win was a foregone conclusion.

The people who have been punished most harshly are the supporters, who are currently out of pocket. (That said, the ones who leaned into the spygate story, with their binoculars and camouflage fancy dress, came across as a bunch of knobs.)
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Southampton chose to spy on a play off game, knowing what they were risking.

If they'd only done it on less consequential league games, I'd imagine the punishment would have been far less.
 
Monty Pigeon said:
My thoughts entirely. If anything, the sanction is lenient. For systematic cheating, they had one match cancelled and were docked 4 points.

It's immaterial what they might have gained if they'd won the match. Yet the way the club has been talking, it's as if they thought the win was a foregone conclusion.

The people who have been punished most harshly are the supporters, who are currently out of pocket. (That said, the ones who leaned into the spygate story, with their binoculars and camouflage fancy dress, came across as a bunch of knobs.)
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Yeah totally agreed, absolutely awful over something so stupid really.

Mind the EFL are lucky that Millwall and Ipswich weren't the opposite way round as I really don't know how they would've dealt with it. Least the Ipswich draw hasn't had an impact as I'd be mega pissed if I missed out by 1 point and that point was from a team cheating.
 
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