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Some rubbish written about agents

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They are vermin

N’Dong’s deal fell apart due to agent demands which may be 1-2m EUR. How in a million years can anyone justify this?

Catts wants to leave but also wants the next 3 years paying without playing? Do you think this is Catts speaking or his leach of an agent?

For me there should be legislation on how agents operate eg employed by FIFA and salary controlled......or bring back days when their dad used to negotiate
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Pack of bastards, everyone single one. Not a case of a few bad apples.
They engineer moves and tout their players about, when under contract, unless the player is not getting a game.
They are parasites, not needed in the game.
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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On the one hand I understand that your saying 'it's just business' . But at the end of the day agents get paid a fortune for what, on the face of it, seems like fuck all.

That doesn't change just because we're shite at football and shite at negotiating.
 
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Rokermark said:
They are vermin

N’Dong’s deal fell apart due to agent demands which may be 1-2m EUR. How in a million years can anyone justify this?
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Apparently ndongs agent was requesting €2m to facilitate his move to Torino which the club refused and as such the move broke down. It was on the Roker report website couple of days ago. I just don't get this at all, the player wants to leave, his agent wants him to move clubs, finds a club but then wants Sunderland to pay the agent. It's laughable how these people think.
 
Speedy1976 said:
Agents make most of their money by engineering transfers for their clients.

They may negotiate lengthy contracts for them but in reality they want them to move on every two years if possible.

That’s the reality.
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This. Imagine if most players, saw the length of their contract out.
 
mackembhoy said:
Wonder if this is Marco, or someone working for his lot.
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What’s Marco’s reputation like as an agent? seems to talk the talk of young players gaining experience and making the right footballing decisions to help develop their career. The only big name he has is Watmore and he doesn’t come across as a mercenary.
 
Wizards Sleeve said:
I missed all the shenanigans. Were people threatening MB?
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I didn't read it all but there was some nasty things said so I skipped it.
my comments were more in general, where people say they cant say something because of threats of libel.

libel is there for when people tell lies against another person. If it is the truth you can say it

Don't threaten people, you cant do it in the street, so why expect to be able to say it on the internet
 
Cat 3 said:
Cat 3 is years old. Bit of fact checking would of seen that. I don’t personally abuse people on here - I call it politeness or class. You call it dumb - heyho vive le difference



Rodwell and catts are both available on a free. Pretty well every other squad member has a (modest) price on their head



Sandra said your personal abuse is tedious and lacks class
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Your info is nowt new. Everyone with any common sense has known both the old and new regimes has wanted the high earning shite out of safc for a while. It’s been a who blinks first situation for a couple of years now at least.

Your sudden appearance with its an agenda driven posting on here is what I was obviously referring to as dumb. I’ve obviously no idea as to your IQ level or educational achievements irl. My first post iirc illustrates this.
.If you’d slipped your views/itkness/agenda onto the board with a tad more subtlety you and agents and players may of received less vitriol, which I pointed out iirc again on my first post. You could’ve reeled a few bites in and/or started off an intelligent conversation instead everyone rightly so has suspicions as to your motivations.

I’ve been informed that you’re possibly MG. If so then your defending of players and agents and their rat off a sinking shipness wanting to have their cake and eat it doesn’t surprise me. If not then I apologise for that and that alone.
 
Randy Bareback said:
Apparently ndongs agent was requesting €2m to facilitate his move to Torino which the club refused and as such the move broke down. It was on the Roker report website couple of days ago. I just don't get this at all, the player wants to leave, his agent wants him to move clubs, finds a club but then wants Sunderland to pay the agent. It's laughable how these people think.
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It makes my heart bleed when I think of the money going out of the game to people who have never kicked a football in their lives. You look at what could be done with this money, new pitches for kids, new strips, transport for kids teams. It's shocking it really is.
 
skullmeister said:
It makes my heart bleed when I think of the money going out of the game to people who have never kicked a football in their lives. You look at what could be done with this money, new pitches for kids, new strips, transport for kids teams. It's shocking it really is.
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It is awful, in the modern game with all the sky money there's still clubs still struggling to rub 2 pennies together and that's largely because all the money isn't going where it should be or where it's most needed, the agents and players are taking the vast majority.
 
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