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SOL expansion


Re: foundations, they will have no doubt been installed to withstand the weight of potential extensions if building up, my point was if additional piles were required to the rear of the existing stadium if we had to build outwards, which might not be needed.

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Weststand said:
After I put up the variation picture of the south extension dated 31st March and some saying this remains valid...the only way this can stay valid is if we actually put the foundations in (or done some building work) within the first 3 years of the validity of the application......When Sirbob said that we have built the stadium to 'easily' expand to 63k is this essentially what he meant? foundations are already in? I cant see it myself that we already have the foundations in which to me would mean that the variation means nothing (so what does the variation mean?). Somebody please correct me if im wrong but within that 3 year period some building work would of had to take place to keep an application valid
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Additionally mate, I know you and @Kingdom Bhoy provide excellent updates on the regeneration of Sunderland (thank you!), but have you seen the cgi of the the SOL fully extended that was circulating a while back. Perhaps would be good to share.
 
Geppetto said:
I very much doubt that mate as regulations could change as well as changes in the way stadiums are constructed. It also wouldn't make sense to pay up front capital costs for something that might not be used. The cost of piling would be significant. I'd add that there would be a liability to the contractor who completed the piling, who's going to take on that risk years down the line?



It could be as simple as installing some drainage or something like that, which would constitute a start.
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I think bob is a cunning old sod and is good at getting the most for his dosh....so i would guess he would have included the necessary future proofing foundation work as part of the original specs tender for the original building work for the stadium !
 
oddbod said:
I think bob is a cunning old sod and is good at getting the most for his dosh....so i would guess he would have included the necessary future proofing foundation work as part of the original specs tender for the original building work for the stadium !
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If it only entails building up, I agree. If building out, I think additional foundations will be required.
 
Geppetto said:
If it only entails building up, I agree. If building out, I think additional foundations will be required.
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What did they do for the north stand?I expect the foundations will be there for the original footprint to match the north stand.....The brickwork is mostly cosmetic the weight is on the steel pylons supporting the roof and seating platforms!
 
oddbod said:
What did they do for the north stand?I expect the foundations will be there for the original footprint to match the north stand.....The brickwork is mostly cosmetic the weight is on the steel pylons supporting the roof and seating platforms!
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I think the bricks and the foundations they're built on will support the BCB, the stairs etc above it, but not the roof and upper tier of seating. I'm in no way qualified though, but that would seem to make sense.
 
There are no groundworks needed. The foundations were put in place ready for a second tier when the stadium was built. That is why there was little to no disruption when the North stand upper was added. It was designed to have a second tier. It is literally half built, which can be seen at the back rows of the East and North Stands
 
I seem to remember that Bob struck a deal with the company that built the SOL (Ballast Wiltshire??) that they would build any extensions at a fixed price of £1000 per seat. Don’t recall it being time limited - anyone know/remember??
 
Arcland said:
I seem to remember that Bob struck a deal with the company that built the SOL (Ballast Wiltshire??) that they would build any extensions at a fixed price of £1000 per seat. Don’t recall it being time limited - anyone know/remember??
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They went bust, which is part of the reason Murray got it built so cheap. So they won't be able to.
 
Arcland said:
I seem to remember that Bob struck a deal with the company that built the SOL (Ballast Wiltshire??) that they would build any extensions at a fixed price of £1000 per seat. Don’t recall it being time limited - anyone know/remember??
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They don't exist anymore. It fits in with the reported cost of the NS extension though.
 
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I think we need to re-establish ourselves as premier league regulars before we seriously consider extending. If we're still selling out I'd be all for doing the south stand extension taking it to 55k.

My ideal would be to extend the South stand but with the larger footprint extend the lower concourse rather than the "underpass" of the north stand.

We could also do this in the east stand, just without the extra tier (the concourse would be smaller than the south but larger than now) and have a nicer outer facade. In theory have hospitality right around the ground with this too.
 
APH said:
I think we need to re-establish ourselves as premier league regulars before we seriously consider extending. If we're still selling out I'd be all for doing the south stand extension taking it to 55k.

My ideal would be to extend the South stand but with the larger footprint extend the lower concourse rather than the "underpass" of the north stand.

We could also do this in the east stand, just without the extra tier (the concourse would be smaller than the south but larger than now) and have a nicer outer facade. In theory have hospitality right around the ground with this too.
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This is what is confusing people. It is conflating 2 different things.Extending the stand and extending the concourse are 2 entirely different things.
 
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Northumberland Rocks said:
Additionally mate, I know you and @Kingdom Bhoy provide excellent updates on the regeneration of Sunderland (thank you!), but have you seen the cgi of the the SOL fully extended that was circulating a while back. Perhaps would be good to share.
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The CGI is really just a mirror of whats there to show the east and south stand....I would say any new expansion would be very different especially the south, more like Spurs home end
 
DH4 said:
This is what is confusing people. It is conflating 2 different things.Extending the stand and extending the concourse are 2 entirely different things.
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Yep, agreed. You could extend the lower concourses of the south and east just by bringing out the turnstiles in line with where the outer edge of the overhang is now. The brick walls aren't structural as far as I'm aware. You may end up with some steel supports on the concourse but you could easy incorporate some bar type table with stools etc.
 
Weststand said:
The CGI is really just a mirror of whats there to show the east and south stand....I would say any new expansion would be very different especially the south, more like Spurs home end
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Yeah the cgi was a mirror of the west and north stands. It looked mighty impressive mind.

Another poster mentioned making any south stand extension one tier, similar to Spurs, and that might look good too.
 
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