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SOL expansion


Skylon said:
I know. I just don't agree it would work at Sunderland
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You are probably correct, as I stated further up Sunderland fans are quite sensitive regarding ticket prices probably with all due respect because Sunderland is a financially challenged area unfortunately.
 
HoxtonMackem said:
People wanting the ground expanded must be either pissed or simply haven’t a clue.

We’ve sold out the ground entirely about once or twice in three years.

For there to be a business case for it, it would have to be getting regularly sold out on a game by game basis for at least a few seasons. Not happened in over twenty year. That in turn would realistically mean challenging at least in the middle of the prem on a consistent basis at the very least. Twaddling about at the bottom of the PL as we did for most of the short years only averaged no more than 40k.

Add onto all of that, current materials costs (particularly steel) are at an astronomical high, as are plant and labour costs. The north stand cost £7m to extend almost 25 years ago, factor in the above and general inflation ffs.

It’s never going to happen under this ownership, let’s be honest.
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Probably £25m now. It's not going to happen, but that's buttons if we're eventually back in the top flight.
 
Zimba said:
Because people aren't living in cloud cuckoo land and expect us to just pull another 24k from fresh air. I go to watch the game, I don't want to be sitting in a half empty morgue like Wigan.

If you want to improve the facilities, then improve the facilities, you don't do that by building an extra tier of seats. Infact that'll do absolutely nothing for half the stadium (North / West stand).

I'd rather sit in a stadium with 35k seats and the place bouncing rather than a stadium with 60k seats with 25k seats empty. Oh and btw you'd actually make more money by having less seats, not more.
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Your a dinosaur mate! move with the times or die out!i note your personal preference to live in the past but i prefer to look forward and we need to compete and i wouldn't give a monkeys if the stadium capacity goes up to 63700 and there was only 50 thousand in it ....it would be ridiculous to spend millions on restructuring and adding corporate facilities and not put in extra seats (at a very low cost per overall build) just because a few luddites cannot see the future ....football is all about revenue and the more we generate the better we will be!
 
EssexYid said:
I understand all of that regarding clubs later entry into the League pyramid, Spurs all time average attendances are often hit with that stick despite the fact that they were drawing big crowds in Non league status and immediately on entry to the League pyramid.

As I stated previously stadium capacity affects all time attendances as well as a clubs status regarding which League that they are in etc.

Spurs for example were 2nd in the all time average attendance table until Arsenal and Liverpools bigger stadiums allowed then to pass Spurs due to the restrictions of WHL 36,300 capacity, in the image below you will see that Liverpool had just passed Spurs as Arsenal would also do a few years later.

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West Ham don't actually average 60,000 like lots of clubs they use the tickets sold trick and not the actual attendance look at Police records and you will see many 45,000 to 50,000 attendances dressed up as 62,500 etc.
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what are those figures is that liverpool total attendance is 69million 977thousand 972? that appears an awful lot ! Leeds and west ham entered league 2 in around 1920 if you look at the Leeds v Sunderland figures sunderland have had more in total it looks skewed in some way?
EssexYid said:
Spurs are one of very few clubs that use the actual match day attendance.
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oddbod said:
what are those figures is that liverpool total attendance is 69million 977thousand 972? that appears an awful lot ! Leeds and west ham entered league 2 in around 1920 if you look at the Leeds v Sunderland figures sunderland have had more in total it looks skewed in some way?
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None of these figures are correct really there are too many variables involved, Spurs were notorious for cooking the attendance books in the 70/80s a full house of 51,000 or so was often called out as 36,500 for an example and was often met with ironic cheers from Spurs fans. 😁

I did a quick guesstimate over 120 years 2000 home games x 33,700 and was only 2/3m away from Liverpools 69.9m total
 
Spectacular that we have so many time travellers on the SMB that know without doubt where we will be in the future and how the demand for our games and football in general pans out. Hats off to them, here was me naively thinking that 5 to 10 years ahead is a complete unknown and that the currently unnecessary capacity increase may or may not have a case in the future.
 
EssexYid said:
Please define your version of relatively cheaply, stadium builds and extensions will have gone up alarmingly since 1997 probably by 10/15 times.

It would make absolutely no financial sense whatsoever for KLD to expand the SOL at this point in time.

If Sunderland get promoted which I would like to see by the way they will almost certainly sell out the SOL regularly, but from an owners prospective that isn't reason enough to expand the stadium capacity in the short term.

The reasoning for the above is that firstly he could simply raise ticket prices incrementally and test the waters for long term demand, I know for a fact that Sunderland fans in general are quite sensitive in regards to ticket price increases and have bulked at multiple Cup ties in the past even when the tickets were priced very fairly. Arsenal in the FA Cup, and Manchester United in the League Cup semi final both spring to mind with low attendances in both of those games as examples.

Most sensible owners will raise ticket prices with increased demand and keep on raising them if the games are still selling out and a season ticket waiting list appears and grows consistently then is the time to expand the stadiums capacity, with planning done previously.

Most football fans want a bigger capacity stadium but building or expanding a stadium just for a cock waving contest for fans makes no financial sense, those saying that concerts will pay for the building costs are living in Cuckoo land unfortunately.

Sorry for the War and Peace novel 😀
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Don’t worry about us 👍
 
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