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Sale is close - Barnsey

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zebediah said:
I would say the much more likely scenario is that SD signs a five year deal with the company paying up front for the contract.
He pockets the money then leaves the new owners with the shite contract, along with shite academy, players etc etc :lol:
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That's not what the Molson Coors deal is about. These are supplier deals. It's not about maximising what's coming in; it's about minimising what goes out. MC will have got the deal because they'll have offered the deepest discount on the wholesale price per barrel. It's about keeping the profit margins on the beer up.
 

Grumpy Old Man said:
That's not what the Molson Coors deal is about. These are supplier deals. It's not about maximising what's coming in; it's about minimising what goes out. MC will have got the deal because they'll have offered the deepest discount on the wholesale price per barrel. It's about keeping the profit margins on the beer up.
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You know this 100 percent?
I know scenarios where people tender for the catering, highest bidder is effectively paying for that "pitch".
Up to them to then make a profit.

If he's committed to a five year deal like you say then it is a baffling decision to be honest.
He gets no benefit if he sells yet could piss off a new buyer.

edit: why am I trying to understand any Donald decision :lol:
 
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zebediah said:
You know this 100 percent?
I know scenarios where people tender for the catering, highest bidder is effectively paying for that "pitch".
Up to them to then make a profit.

If he's committed to a five year deal like you say then it is a baffling decision to be honest.
He gets no benefit if he sells yet could piss off a new buyer.
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But MC aren't running the bars - they're simply designated supplier for them. So caterer X pays to run the bars, but has to agree to all the beer coming from MC. It's exactly like when the pub owning groups insist their landlords use their preferred beer supplier.

Any new owner won't be bothered about a deal like this, because it's financially more beneficial. And if the current deal was expiring, a new one needs to be put in place before it ends, irrespective of the progress in talks over a change in ownership. A business can't put everything on hold indefinitely just because talks are ongoing. If a buyer doesn't like something, they'll negotiate a change in price, or, more likely, an indemnity for any excess costs arising if things don't pan out as anticpated.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
That's not what the Molson Coors deal is about. These are supplier deals. It's not about maximising what's coming in; it's about minimising what goes out. MC will have got the deal because they'll have offered the deepest discount on the wholesale price per barrel. It's about keeping the profit margins on the beer up.
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doesn’t work very well when the service and product is shit though, and he’s already had complaints from fans about it and even said himself changes were needed
 
Rizla said:
It's probably time Nick Barnes made some sort of statement because it appears increasingly like Donald has stitched him up like a kipper.
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Barnes only mistake was giving a rough timescale, not realising that most fans interpret that as a fixed deadline. At best, the date given was a hopeful wish. "Well, it would be nice to have it done by the start of the season". That guarantees nothing, and the timescale always looked hopelessly optimistic to me.
Gaz said:
doesn’t work very well when the service and product is shit though, and he’s already had complaints from fans about it and even said himself changes were needed
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£££££.
 
Just don't give any money to the incumbent owners. You can't force them out, all you can do is make a decision for yourself.

I can't help feeling that all of the social media posturing and protest is just oxygen to the current regime. Withholding your patronage and radio silence will see an end to them.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Barnes only mistake was giving a rough timescale, not realising that most fans interpret that as a fixed deadline. At best, the date given was a hopeful wish. "Well, it would be nice to have it done by the start of the season". That guarantees nothing, and the timescale always looked hopelessly optimistic to me.


£££££.
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I do wonder why the product is so shit mind. I know many hate all lagers but I normally quite like Coors in a pub. Can't imagine they give them normal kegs and we get given some out of date stuff meant for the bin. Presumably it's something to do with how we store it or the lines or something. He could at least try and sort that out, might make people a bit more prepared to arrive early if the beer wasn't shit as well as expensive
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Barnes only mistake was giving a rough timescale, not realising that most fans interpret that as a fixed deadline. At best, the date given was a hopeful wish. "Well, it would be nice to have it done by the start of the season". That guarantees nothing, and the timescale always looked hopelessly optimistic to me.


£££££.
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pretty much sums them up
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
Fully agree. I'm led to believe that nothing is even remotely close. I've brought up the idea of protests/ pressure with RAWA previously and will continue to feed back that I think we need to be taking further steps to at least raise awareness and try to put some pressure on him assuming nothing happens here. I'm far from being alone in thinking more pressure might be needed mind, they won't need me to bring it up and I doubt I'll be the only one thinking it! Like I say I'm aware that RAWA can't force a sale or choose who the sale is to etc, but assuming the members agree then the job of the group is to represent the members and so some form of action would, imo, be in order, and I think the committee largely agree.
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Going full conspiracy theorist for a moment: Let's assume SD has used Barnes to generate a rumor about a takeover to take the heat off him for lack of investment this summer, and for holding on to the club when he assured us he wanted out. He might also quite like the notion of Storey hanging about the place, as it would potentially make putting pressure on him more risky. He's already threatened to sell to Campbell or whoever if they come up with the money, he might be banking on RAWA etc thinking we may end up worse off if they push SD to sell.

However, I don't think Storey has any backers and it would be an opportune time for the fans groups to call Donald's bluff and start some sort of campaign against him. Otherwise I fear we'll start the season with no real change and then once the window shuts we'll get a weak press release telling us no deal is being done and now we all have to get on with the season together.

I want SD and CM out of this club ASAP and I think the vast majority feel the same way. Them stringing us along wouldn't be a big surprise as they know it too.
 
Boris Bear said:
Just don't give any money to the incumbent owners. You can't force them out, all you can do is make a decision for yourself.

I can't help feeling that all of the social media posturing and protest is just oxygen to the current regime. Withholding your patronage and radio silence will see an end to them.
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I think it's more effective if something is organised. I know people can decide for themselves, but if I thought everyone was just going as normal, I'd be very unlikely to stage a one man protest, I'd end up buying a ticket and going along, thinking "what difference would I make anyway". If there was a group organising it, I could see loads pledging to support it, it was in the media etc, personally I think it would be easier to join in. Fully aware that makes me a sheep mind but I wouldn't be the only one.
Nelson! said:
Going full conspiracy theorist for a moment: Let's assume SD has used Barnes to generate a rumor about a takeover to take the heat off him for lack of investment this summer, and for holding on to the club when he assured us he wanted out. He might also quite like the notion of Storey hanging about the place, as it would potentially make putting pressure on him more risky. He's already threatened to sell to Campbell or whoever if they come up with the money, he might be banking on RAWA etc thinking we may end up worse off if they push SD to sell.

However, I don't think Storey has any backers and it would be an opportune time for the fans groups to call Donald's bluff and start some sort of campaign against him. Otherwise I fear we'll start the season with no real change and then once the window shuts we'll get a weak press release telling us no deal is being done and now we all have to get on with the season together.

I want SD and CM out of this club ASAP and I think the vast majority feel the same way. Them stringing us along wouldn't be a big surprise as they know it too.
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Personally I don't think Donald was Barnes' source
 
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Guinness Guzzler said:
I think it's more effective if something is organised. I know people can decide for themselves, but if I thought everyone was just going as normal, I'd be very unlikely to stage a one man protest, I'd end up buying a ticket and going along, thinking "what difference would I make anyway". If there was a group organising it, I could see loads pledging to support it, it was in the media etc, personally I think it would be easier to join in. Fully aware that makes me a sheep mind but I wouldn't be the only one.


Personally I don't think Donald was Barnes' source
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I'm not criticising mate, I just think any interaction, even a protest, gives them a platform to spout more shite, raise more expectations and string us along a bit more. A loss making business and zero dialogue to address that loss making business is not something that they could sustain. I've chosen not to patronise SAFC while they are there, others have chosen differently and for altruistic reasons. Hopefully we just get rid of them because they haven't made good on a single thing that they said they would do.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I do wonder why the product is so shit mind. I know many hate all lagers but I normally quite like Coors in a pub. Can't imagine they give them normal kegs and we get given some out of date stuff meant for the bin. Presumably it's something to do with how we store it or the lines or something. He could at least try and sort that out, might make people a bit more prepared to arrive early if the beer wasn't shit as well as expensive
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I think the lines are way too long mate. Probably not the best kept either!
 
When Barnes was on the radio clarifying his takeover gossip he said that his source was from inside the club. He also stated that he hadn't spoken to SD since the interview on the radio, which was quite sometime earlier. So although I don't give a shit as it makes no difference, I thought I'd through it out there. Barnes' source was probably not SD directly, but possibly indirectly.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I do wonder why the product is so shit mind. I know many hate all lagers but I normally quite like Coors in a pub. Can't imagine they give them normal kegs and we get given some out of date stuff meant for the bin. Presumably it's something to do with how we store it or the lines or something. He could at least try and sort that out, might make people a bit more prepared to arrive early if the beer wasn't shit as well as expensive
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Simple fact that the bars are open twice a fortnight at best, and the people running the bars don't know how to clean the lines properly. It's not a problem unique to us - the beer's crap pretty much any ground you go to.
 
Never understood why the bars don’t sell bottled beer/cans only, quicker, more choice etc.

Presumably it is cheaper to buy piss water to sell to the masses.
 
Pepe said:
Never understood why the bars don’t sell bottled beer/cans only, quicker, more choice etc.

Presumably it is cheaper to buy piss water to sell to the masses.
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In my younger days, I used to buy cans of red stripe in a nightclub.
 
Know nowt about pumps or the pub trade but is it still possible to water beer down?

Obviously not suggesting the con man would do such a thing ofcourse.
 
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