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Sacking Grayson the easy choice.

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3 1 defeat at home to Reading

1 0 win at home to Fulham

Let's see where they finish.

20th.

The 3-1 defeat was a consequence of the red card and the disallowed goal, we could have very easily won it with better luck.

If Simon Grayson was still here, we would have conceded at least 3 goals at Wolves and lost the Fulham game too.
 

The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.
Simon's back
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.
Am a fuck reading that
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.
The fact is we loaned Pickford to PNE his record there was largely that one player...He is not right for Sunderland sorry this post needs to move on it’s all about Coleman now & I noticed your a new person to the SMB which could mean your a Mag
 
The fact is we loaned Pickford to PNE his record there was largely that one player...He is not right for Sunderland sorry this post needs to move on it’s all about Coleman now & I noticed your a new person to the SMB which could mean your a Mag

He's been on a few times before iirc, usually telling us all how great Grayson is and how he'll turn it around. He's now back telling us despite Coleman's team looking infinitely better Grayson was still the man for the job. He had a few arguments with a fella who claimed to be a Leeds fan who slagged Grayson off for the job he did at Leeds in The Championship
 
The fact is we loaned Pickford to PNE his record there was largely that one player...He is not right for Sunderland sorry this post needs to move on it’s all about Coleman now & I noticed your a new person to the SMB which could mean your a Mag

Jordan Pickford played 24 games for PNE.

Simon Grayson managed PNE for 235 games.
 
I cannot believe this poster has the cheek to make a comeback

OR

It's @Bagpuss with an alternative sign in.

The length of the initial post and its content are very reminiscent

He's been on a few times before iirc, usually telling us all how great Grayson is and how he'll turn it around. He's now back telling us despite Coleman's team looking infinitely better Grayson was still the man for the job. He had a few arguments with a fella who claimed to be a Leeds fan who slagged Grayson off for the job he did at Leeds in The Championship
@Bagpuss.
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.

how long did it take for you to..















think of that username?
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.
Right @Bagpuss. There are a few jobs open, so your man should not be unemployed for long.

What's the weather like in Scarborough?

how long did it take for you to..















think of that username?
When bagpuss was no longer a viable log in
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.

What a daft post. He may have improved in time, he may not have done. It hardly matters, he's gone and the manager we have now certainly seems to know what he's doing.
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.

Leave it mate.
He was useless.
He would have taken us down 100pc.
 
The opinion here seems to be that Sunderland's poor start to the season was simply down to Grayson

Grayson made a number of mistakes here but his record as outlined below stands up to comparison with any manager outside the Premier League.

Grayson would have turned Sunderland around eventually (as Coleman will if given time) if he had been given a couple of transfer windows and more time to work with the squad.

Fact is Grayson made mistakes and should have been doing better but the fact also is that he was an easy fall guy for a squad of players not cut out for football at this level.

Coleman will turn it around if given time but be certain that very few of the current squad will be involved next season.

Grayson was brought in to rebuild but only given until the end of October = not enough time.

Look at Bristol City 3 wins in 28 last season under Johnson; didn't sack him and look where they are now.

Grayson began his coaching career at Blackpool where he enjoyed a six-year stint, first as a player then as manager, during which he guided the Seasiders to their highest league place for over 40 years.

He ended his career at Blackpool and after a successful spell as player-caretaker manager he was handed the managerial job on a permanent basis in the summer of 2006. Grayson then led Blackpool to the League One play-off final in 2007 and after gaining promotion he secured their Championship status.

After taking charge of Leeds in December 2008, Grayson led the side to a fourth place finish in League One. Leeds won their remaining 11 home games that season, matching a 40-year-old record from the Don Revie era.

In his first full season, he guided the club back to the Championship with a second place finish in League One, securing automatic promotion on the final day of the season with a 2-1 win over Bristol Rovers. Season 2009/10 also saw a memorable victory for Leeds as they beat Manchester United in The FA Cup, resulting in their first win at Old Trafford since 1981.

Leeds would then enjoy a successful return to the Championship, as Grayson's men were in play-off contention throughout the 2010/11 campaign. Grayson was also awarded the manager of the month award for December.

The club parted company with Simon in February 2012, despite Leeds being just 3 points off the play-offs. On leaving Elland Road, Grayson had a remarkable win percentage record of 49.7%.

He later enjoyed an instant impact with Huddersfield Town as he guided the club to the Championship for the first time in 11 years, after they defeated Sheffield United in the play-off final. He remained with the club until January 2013.

In his first full season in charge at Preston, Grayson guided the Club to a 5th place finish in League One before winning promotion in 2014/15. Grayson guided Preston to two consecutive 11th place finishes in the championship in 15/16 and 16/17.

Grayson enjoyed a 17-year playing career that saw him make over 500 career appearances.

He started his career at Elland Road before moving to Leicester.

After Leicester City he enjoyed successful stints with Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers.
You should have left it at sacking Grayson the easy choice.
 
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