Sack Bayliss as test coach

[smoker]

Well yes I know.

Are you saying Ramprakash can't do that? Or are you saying you have to have been a top successful sportsman in whatever field to be able to coach others?

Sure criticise Ramprakash as a coach if you want. For all we know he may be a better coach than he was a player, most coaches are.

You replied without addressing the point. Ramprakash failed to develop the mental toughness to succeed at test level. Anything he imparts to the players in this regard is purely hypothetical.

 

[Bri]

You replied without addressing the point. Ramprakash failed to develop the mental toughness to succeed at test level. Anything he imparts to the players in this regard is purely hypothetical.

In that case we're talking about something that wasn't my initial point.

Sure criticise Ramps all you want. No one is out of bounds. But coaches coach things all the time that they aren't top notch in. Just look at top managers in football, the players they manage are more skilled than they were.

 

[Deleted member 35923]

Anyone happy with ramprakash as a batting coach?

He averaged 27 in test matches, was a bag of nerves facing international quality bowlers.

No doubt he was superb at county level

It is very short-sighted to point the finger at Ramprakash for our batting woes. The way the game has developed in three formats over time and England's national focus on increasing aggression and fearless batting over the past 15 years has created a generation of batsman who lack the patience to consistently deliver as Test match batsmen. Ramprakash can work out what their technical flaws are, work on them, talk to the players about it, spend hours and hours on them but ultimately it comes down to the individual.

Its interesting that people are talking about Ramprakash not being able to instill mental strength in players yet no-one is blaming Ramprakash's coaches for his alleged mental weakness.

 

[ShieldsGreggs4]

Jason G would be the man for me. Bayliss has reformed white ball cricket but we have seriously declined in test matches. Root is an awful skipper as well, I’d let someone else have a bash at it

 

[stephen cartwright]

Well yes I know.

Are you saying Ramprakash can't do that? Or are you saying you have to have been a top successful sportsman in whatever field to be able to coach others?

Sure criticise Ramprakash as a coach if you want. For all we know he may be a better coach than he was a player, most coaches are.

As I did above, the evidence against ramprakash is shown in the last ten tests

Always three down before fifty, last five wickets scoring approx 20 combined.

We actually scored ,22 for 9 from wicket six first innings and wicket 7 in the second innings

Now imo, ramps does not need to tell the top order much as they are professional batsmen, but where his coaching should be coming to the fore, is to improve from wicket six downwards.

It's not been good enough for ten tests

It is very short-sighted to point the finger at Ramprakash for our batting woes. The way the game has developed in three formats over time and England's national focus on increasing aggression and fearless batting over the past 15 years has created a generation of batsman who lack the patience to consistently deliver as Test match batsmen. Ramprakash can work out what their technical flaws are, work on them, talk to the players about it, spend hours and hours on them but ultimately it comes down to the individual.

Its interesting that people are talking about Ramprakash not being able to instill mental strength in players yet no-one is blaming Ramprakash's coaches for his alleged mental weakness.

See above

 

[Bri]

As I did above, the evidence against ramprakash is shown in the last ten tests

Always three down before fifty, last five wickets scoring approx 20 combined.

We actually scored ,22 for 9 from wicket six first innings and wicket 7 in the second innings

Now imo, ramps does not need to tell the top order much as they are professional batsmen, but where his coaching should be coming to the fore, is to improve from wicket six downwards.

It's not been good enough for ten tests


See above

The evidence *for* Ramprakash is in the Simon Hughes thread … in short players these days don't / can't bat properly because of the emphasis on short form cricket. I'd seriously doubt Ramprakash can do much about that.

 

[stephen cartwright]

The evidence *for* Ramprakash is in the Simon Hughes thread … in short players these days don't / can't bat properly because of the emphasis on short form cricket. I'd seriously doubt Ramprakash can do much about that.

Do you not think the batting from wicket six down, could be improved from scoring 22 for 9 ?

Imo it can be and is a major reason why we are on the losing streak.

I can't remember the last time we scored over 100 for the last five wickets.

That's where coaching comes into play for ramprakash. The top order can have little effect but surely he can coach some ideas into the players from 6 to 10?

 

[Bri]

Do you not think the batting from wicket six down, could be improved from scoring 22 for 9 ?

Imo it can be and is a major reason why we are on the losing streak.

I can't remember the last time we scored over 100 for the last five wickets.

That's where coaching comes into play for ramprakash. The top order can have little effect but surely he can coach some ideas into the players from 6 to 10?

It's not that long since 5-8 was the powerhouse
Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali. We've dismantled it after Ali had a poor tour and the rest reshuffled in a vain attempt to try to fix problems elsewhere.

10 and 11 are weakness, but they always are in nearly every team. No 9 varies depending on the selection.

 

[stephen cartwright]

It's not that long since 5-8 was the powerhouse
Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali. We've dismantled it after Ali had a poor tour and the rest reshuffled in a vain attempt to try to fix problems elsewhere.

10 and 11 are weakness, but they always are in nearly every team. No 9 varies depending on the selection.

Good points but it does not recognise what I'm saying in relation to ramprakash coaching

This is where I'm saying ramprakash is failing, as we are all out when the sixth wicket falls.

He should be capable of coaching the non batters to increase their output.

The last test, we scored 22 for 9 with the last few wickets.

That's pathetic by any standard and imo ramprakash should be doing something about that

 

[Ageing trundler]

Ideally, we would have a batting coach who was a success at test level.