Ryan Sidebottom

[dangermows]

Looking back I find it baffling we had him in the test side for a good 2/3 years.

Okay, he may have been slightly quicker than he is now but still, he has always been cannon fodder in none swinging conditions.

Shows the strides we continue to make I suppose......

 

[redandwhiterob]

It could have just been his on field persona but I always thought he came across as a right prick tbh

 

[rentaghost]

I disagree entirely.

For the period he was in the side he deserved to be and put in some excellent performances. Left armer, moved the ball and was pretty sharp.

80 wickets at 28.

 

[dangermows]

I disagree entirely.

For the period he was in the side he deserved to be and put in some excellent performances. Left armer, moved the ball and was pretty sharp.

80 wickets at 28.

Not for me. He doesnt have anything about his game other than swinging it. Being a left armer doesnt count as a talent, its just what he is. Far too one dimensional and never looked up to it IMO. He was also very stiff out in the field.

Out of interest, who were our opponents during his decent spells? I remember watching him do well against the WIndies and New Zealand but that's about it.

Edit: Maybe he did deserve to be in at the time, but that says more about what was available in my book.

 

[rentaghost]

Not for me. He doesnt have anything about his game other than swinging it. Being a left armer doesnt count as a talent, its just what he is. Far too one dimensional and never looked up to it IMO. He was also very stiff out in the field.

Out of interest, who were our opponents during his decent spells? I remember watching him do well against the WIndies and New Zealand but that's about it.

Edit: Maybe he did deserve to be in at the time, but that says more about what was available in my book.

Theres no doubt his tremendous test record overall is skewed by playing a fair few tests against NZ and WI. That said he did bowl very well against an excellent Indian side over here where his figures didnt do him justice and also well against SA. In the Indian series he was pretty rapid as well. Not a 28 average bowler but miles better than a plodder.

 

[SAFC 2012]

Looking back I find it baffling we had him in the test side for a good 2/3 years.

Okay, he may have been slightly quicker than he is now but still, he has always been cannon fodder in none swinging conditions.

Shows the strides we continue to make I suppose......

So same as anderson up until about a year ago then? Theres not many swing bowlers that dont get exposed in none favourable conditions tbf

 

[dangermows]

So same as anderson up until about a year ago then? Theres not many swing bowlers that dont get exposed in none favourable conditions tbf

Are you actually comparing Jimmy Anderson with Ryan Sidebottom?

Anderson could swing it both ways and is quicker. What Jimmy has added is the ability to bowl seam and the ability not to go cheaply.

Also, that's the difference, World class players can add strings to their bow, the rest can't.

 

[pkhap]

So same as anderson up until about a year ago then? Theres not many swing bowlers that dont get exposed in none favourable conditions tbf

Essex Boy, Is that you???

 

[Twisted]

So same as anderson up until about a year ago then? Theres not many swing bowlers that dont get exposed in none favourable conditions tbf

beat me to it, that is what i was going to post.

i think anyone not rewriting history should admit that when sidebottom was in teh test side there was little between him and anderson, both were great in favourable conditions but prone to getting 0-100 when the ball wasnt swining.

anderson has improved MASSIVELY in the last couple of years

 

[SAFC 2012]

Are you actually comparing Jimmy Anderson with Ryan Sidebottom?

Anderson could swing it both ways and is quicker. What Jimmy has added is the ability to bowl seam and the ability not to go cheaply.

Also, that's the difference, World class players can add strings to their bow, the rest can't.

Im not saying sidebottom is as good as him now, but when they were both in the side wasnt much between them. My money is on steyn to show anderson how to really let rip in a couple weeks time

 

[dangermows]

Im not saying sidebottom is as good as him now, but when they were both in the side wasnt much between them. My money is on steyn to show anderson how to really let rip in a couple weeks time

Anderson vs Steyn is a battle I am very much looking forward to.

beat me to it, that is what i was going to post.

i think anyone not rewriting history should admit that when sidebottom was in teh test side there was little between him and anderson, both were great in favourable conditions but prone to getting 0-100 when the ball wasnt swining.

anderson has improved MASSIVELY in the last couple of years

Aye, so we had 2 average bowlers. 1 remained average and the other developed his game to become the world class player he is today.

 

[Twisted]

Aye, so we had 2 average bowlers. 1 remained average and the other developed his game to become the world class player he is today.

if by average you mean reasonable test standard then aye, although both were above average swingers of the ball.

as you say though, anderson has improved his accuracy and seam deliveries.

though i think the biggest trait anderson and broad have gained to explain their improvement is patience.

 

[dangermows]

if by average you mean reasonable test standard then aye, although both were above average swingers of the ball.

as you say though, anderson has improved his accuracy and seam deliveries.

though i think the biggest trait anderson and broad have gained to explain their improvement is patience.

Sidey only moves the bal one way though.

Also, Anderson's career was held up because coaches tried to make him change his action.

 

[Twisted]

Sidey only moves the bal one way though.

Also, Anderson's career was held up because coaches tried to make him change his action.

im not suggesting he should be recalled

but when he was in the side he was as effective as anderson and usually more effective than broad, but he didnt have the talent of either, just had the discipline and patience.

broad in particular was so ill disciplined and if he didnt take 5-25 it would be 1-100, unplayable on his day but he & anderson are barely recognisable today, massive credit to both of them, getting a few extra years behind them have helped alot

 

[dangermows]

im not suggesting he should be recalled

but when he was in the side he was as effective as anderson and usually more effective than broad, but he didnt have the talent of either, just had the discipline and patience.

broad in particular was so ill disciplined and if he didnt take 5-25 it would be 1-100, unplayable on his day but he & anderson are barely recognisable today, massive credit to both of them, getting a few extra years behind them have helped alot

Braods problems were most apparent when he was constantly bowling short balls, trying to bounce teams out. Duont know if that whole "enforcer" thing was a direction from the coaches but he soon reaped the rewards when he moved away from that and bowled the ball fuller,

 

[Deleted member 26]

I disagree entirely.

For the period he was in the side he deserved to be and put in some excellent performances. Left armer, moved the ball and was pretty sharp.

80 wickets at 28.

Agree, bowled at mid to high 80's when he was fit. I thought he was a cracking bowler.

Anderson vs Steyn is a battle I am very much looking forward to.



Aye, so we had 2 average bowlers. 1 remained average and the other developed his game to become the world class player he is today.

Anyone else really dislike Steyn ? he just looks a ****

 

[CraigyLee]

he offered something different. And often didn't need to swing it both ways, he could take it across majority of batsmen then swing it in

his hair was shite